Opinions on the Remington 700 SPS in .300 blackout

I wouldn't do it. from my understanding (minimal on the 300 blk cardtidge) it really drops off past 100 yards. having a bolt action riffle only good to maybe? 200 yds seems stupid if you ask me personally. 308 all day. someone who has more knowledge will chime in but it seems like a severely limited round for a bolt action precision riffle.
 
Depends on what you want to do with it. 300blk is decent out to 300 yards but people shoot further as well. Ok for medium game hunting with the right bullet but 308 or 6.8 spc is much better. If you reload it is a very economical cartridge. I think it is optimal for defensive use under 300 yards.

What would you be doing with it?

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beaker said:
Depends on what you want to do with it. 300blk is decent out to 300 yards but people shoot further as well. Ok for medium game hunting with the right bullet but 308 or 6.8 spc is much better. If you reload it is a very economical cartridge. I think it is optimal for defensive use under 300 yards.

What would you be doing with it?

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Thinking about one for Vermont deer hunting for my 18 year old son. Just seemed like a handy gun to tote around in the woods. Just starting to get back into rifles, I am mostly a pistol shooter. Just testing the waters and I do reload. Thanks
 
browncoat said:
In a bolt action, does 300blk have any advantage over 7.62x39?
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Lots if you reload...

I will eventually get into 300blk, but I have a hard time getting excited about one in a bolt gun. The purpose of 300blk is to run in an standard AR platform. If I was going to get a bolt gun, I'd just get 308 and reload to my liking.

Do you already reload 223 / 556?
 
I still haven't bought in to the 300BLK craze, so this may sound biased.

300BLK subs are neat because you can get a big spitzer point rifle bullet to stay subsonic. Better ballistics than .45ACP, right? Well, yes, but they still aren't "good". I would not take a 100yd shot at a deer with a subsonic 300BLK. I don't think VT allows suppressor use, so you aren't going to be hunting there with a suppressed 300BLK anyways.

So ignoring the ballistics and practicality, loading 300BLK subs is still a pain in the ass. Powder choices are limited, brass is expensive or a pain in the ass to make, factory loads are hard to find and expensive, and the projectile choice in the 220gr subsonic range is very limited and expensive.

Now if we forget all about the subsonic side of 300BLK, we're left with a round that is inferior to some of the other common rounds that gained popularity because of the AR movement -- 6.5 Grendel and 6.8SPC have more power and shoot flatter, 7.62x40 WT is superior in all aspects, and 300BLK is also inferior to common existing rounds like .308, .243, and 7.62x39.

When you remove the AR15 and suppressor from the equation, the list of reasons to go 300BLK really dries up. I understand the appeal in the black rifle because you literally just change the barrel -- everything else stays the same since it's based on a .223 case (same deal with .243 in an AR10).

So to me, the 700SPS in 300BLK is a range toy at best for someone with a suppressor that doesn't like semi-autos.
 
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If I was going to get a bolt gun, I'd just get 308 and reload to my liking.
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This. Why make it more complicated?

When I clicked on the thread it cut off at ".300". I expected to see a question about a .300 Win Mag bolt gun, never did I expect to read a question about .300 bk in a bolt gun.

With that being said, 7.62x39 is gaining in popularity for hunting but it is still hit or miss finding components for quality reloading. There are so many options in .308 or .300 Win, I'm not sure what the appeal is for .300 bk in a bolt gun?

Save the .300 bk for the suppressed SBR with a 8-9" barrel and use the tools where appropriate.
 
Thanks for all the input, I already have a savage in .308, a Remington in .300 win mag and 2 AR's 1 in 223/5.56 and 1 in 308. Was just curious of peoples thoughts. I think I will probably pass on it. The 6.8 SPC has always interested me more anyway.
 
paracarry said:
Thinking about one for Vermont deer hunting for my 18 year old son. Just seemed like a handy gun to tote around in the woods. Just starting to get back into rifles, I am mostly a pistol shooter. Just testing the waters and I do reload. Thanks
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I built one for this purpose, as I hunt from my bow stand in rifle season (thick woods, 100 yds max shot).

The point is that in theory, you just have to have the barrell and ammo and you can change out your 5.56 AR to be the 300BLK, then change back. In practice, this is probably better with a separate upper (BCG and lower are the same). The reality is, you end up with a separate gun.

Note that you need 6 rd mags or lower (I have 5 rounders) for deer hunting in VT.

I also have a Rem 700 VTR (green stock) in .308, 22" barrel, which would be a much better gun for a young deer hunter, IMHO. You can get that in .260 also if .308 is a little much for you 18 yr old.
 
Just get it in .308.

The beauty of .300 blk is that in an AR it fits in normal sized guns and mags. Whereas a .308 takes you to a larger, heavier gun.

In the 700 Bolt gun, both .308 and 300 blk are built on the same action. Same size, same weight.

If you want to shoot subsonics suppressed, the .308 can do everything the .300 blk can do, plus you can turn up the heat and send a 175 gr bullet down range at 2600 fps.

I got a super Rem friends and family deal ($350) on a 16" threaded barrel 700 over Christmas. I have not had a chance to test it with some of the heavier bullets in subsonic loadings. Its a good idea to test rounds like that on paper to make sure they aren't keyholing. If they are, they will destroy any silencer you put it through.

Don
 
I just went over the specs of the .300 blk and dif find one significant difference between it and the .308. But its only an advantage if you intend to shoot very heavy bullets at subsonic speeds.

The .308 has a 1 in 10 twist barrel.

The .300 blk has a 1 in 7 twist barrel.

So it will better stabilize longer, heavier, slower bullets.

Pure speculation to follow: The 1:10 should be at subsonic speeds up to 200 gr. I would suspect the 1:7 could handle 230-250 gr subsonics.

Don
 
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Anybody have one or shot one ,Held one today and they seemed pretty nice. The cartridge has always interested me just did not want one in an AR.
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Do you shoot 300BLK already? I do, and I kind of want one, but I shoot 300BLK with a can and want the extra quietness of a bolt gun. It will be cheaper and easier to slap together an upper in 300BLK to figure out if you like it. If you do and want to shoot it out of a bolt gun, then go for it.

Edit: Mossberg makes a short bolt rifle in 300BLK that is likely WAY cheaper then the Rem700 if you are looking for a cheap plinker, however, I would not want a plinker in 300BLK.
 
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dcmdon said:
I'm intrigued by the cartridge but don't want another caliber to reload. I'm trying ot stick to 9mm, .45, .223, and .308.

A friend, with a lot of time, reloads it. he makes the brass from .223 brass
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I intend to learn how to reload while tinkering with 300BLK. I have a Rock chucker and a 5 gallon bucket full of .223 brass, so that should keep me busy for a while.
 
edmorseiii said:
I intend to learn how to reload while tinkering with 300BLK. I have a Rock chucker and a 5 gallon bucket full of .223 brass, so that should keep me busy for a while.
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Have you found a source of inexpensive .30 cal bullets?

I ask because you certainly don't want to use Match Kings at $150/500 for a 300 BLK.
(And because I"m looking for some inexpensive .30 cal for my .308 subsonic loads)


Don
 
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dcmdon said:
Have you found a source of inexpensive .30 cal bullets?

I ask because you certainly don't want to use Match Kings at $150/500 for a 300 BLK.
(And because I"m looking for some inexpensive .30 cal for my .308 subsonic loads)


Don
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Not yet, I don't even have my shop setup, never mind the press.

paracarry said:
Have already got the .300 blk out of my system, shot a friend of mines, didn't do much for me.
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I am betting it didn't have a can on it. [wink]
 
You should take a look at the single shot 300blk handi-rifle. Supposed to be a nice firearm and IIRC $300

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dcmdon said:
Have you found a source of inexpensive .30 cal bullets?

I ask because you certainly don't want to use Match Kings at $150/500 for a 300 BLK.
(And because I"m looking for some inexpensive .30 cal for my .308 subsonic loads)


Don
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Those are great bullets for an AR, i use them - the 125 grain variety designed for 300blk. they are designed to be the right length and feed properly out of an AR mag. But lots of 30 cal bullets work just fine.

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beaker said:
Those are great bullets for an AR, i use them - the 125 grain variety designed for 300blk. they are designed to be the right length and feed properly out of an AR mag. But lots of 30 cal bullets work just fine.

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I don't make enough money to send SMKs downrange 30 at a time. Ha. I'm hoping that Hornady makes a 125 gr bulk pack.
 
Just for fun, i thought I'd put a shot of my 16.5" SPS in .308.

This is a low budget project. So far:

1) Rem 700 SPS with AAC friends and family discuount - $350 shipped.
2) Very very old Sound Technologies suppressor that I'm doing a repair on, but can use in the mean time. - $0
3) Chinese Harris knockoff from Amazon - $28 shipped.

I'll probably spend $20 in reloaded or Turkish MEK ammo properly breaking in the barrel.

The stock is just terrible because of its flexibility. It touches the I'm hoping to grab a Magpul stock for it once they become available.

A blemished rail from EGW will run about $35
I've got rings
All I need is an optic.

Don

p.s. I just started wet tumbling brass. The stuff in the bucket is 9mm. Thats the last of the super shiny 9mm. its not worth it for pistol ammo. But it sure is shiny. I do like how it cleans out the primer pockets on my precision rifle reloads and will continue to use it for rifle ammo. (I manufacture pistol ammo, I CRAFT rifle ammo)

 
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I don't see a purpose for a bolt action 300BLK... In supersonic form it's going to act like a 7.62x39 and come up well short of .308. In subsonic form it's got 45ACP ballistics so it's hardly a viable hunting cartridge. If I already owned a .308 bolt gun I wouldn't even look at a 300BLK bolt gun. Why go backwards in power? What do you gain?

edit: Only purpose I can see is as a super silent SHTF sniper for inside 100 yards. Pretty niche (and debatably unnecessary) purpose.
 
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SubieGuy4 said:
I don't see a purpose for a bolt action 300BLK... In supersonic form it's going to act like a 7.62x39 and come up well short of .308. In subsonic form it's got 45ACP ballistics so it's hardly a viable hunting cartridge. If I already owned a .308 bolt gun I wouldn't even look at a 300BLK bolt gun. Why go backwards in power? What do you gain?

edit: Only purpose I can see is as a super silent SHTF sniper for inside 100 yards. Pretty niche (and debatably unnecessary) purpose.
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I agree with your sentiment. But not one of your facts.

A 200 gr .30 cal rifle bullet has nowhere near similar ballistics to a 200 gr .45 ACP round. I don't know if you are talking about external ballistics or terminal ballistics, so I'll address both.

External Ballistics - how a bullet flies through the air. They have about the same mass at about the same velocity. But the .30 has about a 3x higher ballistic coefficient. So it will lose speed at 1/3 the rate that the .45 loses speed.

Terminal Ballistics - how a bullet behaves when it strikes its target - A specialized .45 may mushroom to .70 diameter. Then again, it may not. It may remain at .45" across. In contrast, a .30 cal bullet will remain a .30 cal bullet when traveling at 900 fps. So you end up with a huge variance in the type of damage each bullet makes.

Bullet area:

.30 rifle - .07 sq in
.45 ACP - .16 sq in
.47 expanded to .70 - .38 sq in.


Don
 
SubieGuy4 said:
I don't see a purpose for a bolt action 300BLK... In supersonic form it's going to act like a 7.62x39 and come up well short of .308. In subsonic form it's got 45ACP ballistics so it's hardly a viable hunting cartridge. If I already owned a .308 bolt gun I wouldn't even look at a 300BLK bolt gun. Why go backwards in power? What do you gain?

edit: Only purpose I can see is as a super silent SHTF sniper for inside 100 yards. Pretty niche (and debatably unnecessary) purpose.
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A suppressed 300blk bolt gun will be quieter then any auto loading action. That in itself makes it a fun back yard gun.
 
The other nice thing is that you tend to be more deliberate with your shots with a bolt gun. So you have just as much fun, but go through less ammo.

I can tell you that 60 rounds of .308 lasts much longer in my precision rifle shooting at distance than it does in my M1A.

But then again, you could buy any number of different kits that includes a suppressed setting, turning your AR into a straight pull bolt gun. (I've seen gas blocks that do this, bolt carriers, and even gas tubes, as well as piston kits)

Don
 
dcmdon said:
Just for fun, i thought I'd put a shot of my 16.5" SPS in .308.

This is a low budget project. So far:

1) Rem 700 SPS with AAC friends and family discuount - $350 shipped.
2) Very very old Sound Technologies suppressor that I'm doing a repair on, but can use in the mean time. - $0
3) Chinese Harris knockoff from Amazon - $28 shipped.

I'll probably spend $20 in reloaded or Turkish MEK ammo properly breaking in the barrel.

The stock is just terrible because of its flexibility. It touches the I'm hoping to grab a Magpul stock for it once they become available.

A blemished rail from EGW will run about $35
I've got rings
All I need is an optic.

Don

p.s. I just started wet tumbling brass. The stuff in the bucket is 9mm. Thats the last of the super shiny 9mm. its not worth it for pistol ammo. But it sure is shiny. I do like how it cleans out the primer pockets on my precision rifle reloads and will continue to use it for rifle ammo. (I manufacture pistol ammo, I CRAFT rifle ammo)

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That's pretty sweet. That friends and family discount must be huge...I'm jealous
 
Yeah. I got lucky. MSRP on that gun is $842.

I wouldn't have bothered playing around with this if it cost me much.

I shot the gun for the first time today. Not for group or anything like that. 1 shot - Clean, 1 shot clean, 2 shots, clean.
It was nice and quiet, even with supersonic ammo. Quieter than the .22 rifle my daughter was shooting.
 

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