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Maybe i should have chosen a better phrase than oath keepers so the more easily confused among us can keep up. My point was that the "oath keeper types" who obviously existed before setting up a formal organization didn't do shit in the past incidents where the gov't shot it's own people.  Presumably "oath keepers" exist in the ranks of all police and military structures whether or not they give themselves a name or carry a numbered card like our beltfed hero here.  My point was, named or not, when the shit hits the fan they're a scarce commodity.