Out of State Private Sale

[HARRYM]

Being a new 03 FFL, and wishing to thin my 03 eligible rifles, I can sell my 03 eligible rifles with my FFL license to a properly licensed in state resident. With the 03 license I am also clear to sell 03 eligible rifles to out of state residents?

I have several in state interested, several out of state interested and the remaining heading to GB.

In state residents I see no issues. Out of State I am thinking just using my local FFL to ship the rifles for me to wherever they are headed if I sense MA effin with me.

All 03 rifles, no handguns.

Thanks

 

[Mark from ?]

If you both have C&R I think its fine....not 100% sure on that.......

For sure having your local FFL ship (if they will to a CR) is another level of protection if you want to call it that....for you.

As the firearm will go from your bound book to your FFL's bound book, and they will be the last "owner", and you'll be out of the process of shipping at all with exception of paying for it obviously.

Then the new C&R owner would then transfer it to their bound book using your FFl as the inbound.

Obviously a full FFL to FFL (non C&R) transfer covers any situation. But cost $$ on both ends.

 

[jakeroub]

I’m pretty sure that for interstate transfers of C&R firearms, the BUYER needs to have their -03 license.

 

[HARRYM]

If you both have C&R I think its fine....not 100% sure on that.......

For sure having your local FFL ship (if they will to a CR) is another level of protection if you want to call it that....for you.

As the firearm will go from your bound book to your FFL's bound book, and they will be the last "owner", and you'll be out of the process of shipping at all with exception of paying for it obviously.

Then the new C&R owner would then transfer it to their bound book using your FFl as the inbound.

Obviously a full FFL to FFL (non C&R) transfer covers any situation. But cost $$ on both ends.

I have one likely headed a few states over, no face to face.

 

[BigGreen2000]

You can ship to an out-of-state recipient if that recipient has an FFL--either C&R or dealer FFL. I don't see the need to transfer to a Mass FFL, then have it transferred to the out-of-state FFL.

 

[HARRYM]

You can ship to an out-of-state recipient if that recipient has an FFL--either C&R or dealer FFL. I don't see the need to transfer to a Mass FFL, then have it transferred to the out-of-state FFL.

Indeed, would not make sense. Lic Ma resident to Lic Ma resident no worries. 03 or not I am not allowed to sell to a out of state buyer. I ship to their FFL or meet them at their FFL. I believe MA does not accept any State firearms license. If I recall correctly NH is suing MA over this as several NH residents got porked over this.

I was really trying to avoid taking the rifles in for consignment as it both takes too long and people constantly handling them will mar up unmarked guns. Selling them to a dealer is like trading your car. The best way is just let an FFL handle it if its an out of state sale.

 

[Mark from ?]

You can ship to an out-of-state recipient if that recipient has an FFL--either C&R or dealer FFL. I don't see the need to transfer to a Mass FFL, then have it transferred to the out-of-state FFL.

If this is the case then simply get a copy of their CR FFL, send them a copy of your CR FFL to keep on record, and outbound them in your bound book to the buyer. Done.

Edit....MA doesn't recognize your 03FFL. MA is gay.

So do what makes you comfortable..... but I would assume as long as the buyer can own a gun in that state they reside, and they have a CR license federally for the transfer between FFL's .....there should be no issue.

 

[Mark from ?]

Indeed, would not make sense. Lic Ma resident to Lic Ma resident no worries. 03 or not I am not allowed to sell to a out of state buyer. I ship to their FFL or meet them at their FFL. I believe MA does not accept any State firearms license. If I recall correctly NH is suing MA over this as several NH residents got porked over this.

I was really trying to avoid taking the rifles in for consignment as it both takes too long and people constantly handling them will mar up unmarked guns. Selling them to a dealer is like trading your car. The best way is just let an FFL handle it if its an out of state sale.

Local consignment sucks for the guns you are trying to sell. Its like putting them on NES, except worse.......

Youll get a bunch of local cheap yankee fingerfxckers who don't appreciate them for what they are and asking the consignment dealer to lowball you every week.

They are specific fudd/collector type guns. To get top dollar you need a whole US audience on a place like Gunbroker whatever to people who are looking for them and know the market. Yes, listing, taking pics, and shipping them is a PIA, but if you make an extra 300 per gun....its typically worth it.

Now if the market is down, not sure.....then you need to accept that.......but gunbroker or whatever is the place for these things.

Don't forget your not the only Boomer unloading lever guns, because you can't shoot anymore or are getting some cash for retirement. I personally know 3 guys that are selling old Winchesters and can't get what they want for them now.

 

[drgrant]

Local consignment sucks for the guns you are trying to sell. Its like putting them on NES, except worse.......

Youll get a bunch of local cheap yankee fingerfxckers who don't appreciate them for what they are and asking the consignment dealer to lowball you every week.

Lol then you're not setting your prices right and not telling the consignment dealer no reductions. Properly priced used guns just about sell themselves but if you're not giving the buyer at least $100 they're not buying a used gun. And yes there are skinflint faggots who try to chinse down but ive never had a problem with/when realistic pricing was being used.

Also the market doesn't actually care how much you like the gun you're selling. Most people are unrealistic WRT what they're going to get on the used market.

 

[drgrant]

Don't forget your not the only Boomer unloading lever guns, because you can't shoot anymore or are getting some cash for retirement. I personally know 3 guys that are selling old Winchesters and can't get what they want for them now.

Part of the problem is only a small % think that an old win94 is worth overpaying for. The rest of us are like. "What will this do that a brand new Henry won't do?" Etc.

 

[HARRYM]

Local consignment sucks for the guns you are trying to sell. Its like putting them on NES, except worse.......

Youll get a bunch of local cheap yankee fingerfxckers who don't appreciate them for what they are and asking the consignment dealer to lowball you every week.

They are specific fudd/collector type guns. To get top dollar you need a whole US audience on a place like Gunbroker whatever to people who are looking for them and know the market. Yes, listing, taking pics, and shipping them is a PIA, but if you make an extra 300 per gun....its typically worth it.

Now if the market is down, not sure.....then you need to accept that.......but gunbroker or whatever is the place for these things.

Don't forget your not the only Boomer unloading lever guns, because you can't shoot anymore or are getting some cash for retirement. I personally know 3 guys that are selling old Winchesters and can't get what they want for them now.

So, I watch GB daily. I only pay attention to completed auctions. I am more than confident my prices will be easily realized there, without question. Much larger buying crowd and very specific 99 chasers. Late summer and cool air leading into to the fall is actually when sales get perky. I have no sense of urgency, I ain't dying at the moment.

 

[Mark from ?]

Part of the problem is only a small % think that an old win94 is worth overpaying for. The rest of us are like. "What will this do that a brand new Henry won't do?" Etc.

And that percentage is even smaller with a local gun shop or NES is my point. Add to that NES is not super fudd gun.

Much better off on a bigger stage and will get better prices on Savage 99.

For shit like that ive done way better with gunbroker

 

[HARRYM]

Well......I make no comment but just this statement.

Just spoke to MA Firearms Lic Bureau

I was clear, said I was a lic holder in MA, not dealer, but also held a valid 03 FFL.

C&R rifle in state to another instate licensed resident perfectly fine, log it in the MA portal. And of course your 03 log book obligations.

Can a NH resident come here to purchase an 03 rifle, NO

Can I take the rifle to a NH FFL and conduct the transaction there, NO

Sir, what is allowable, reply, it's an interstate transaction and therefore it must go FFL MA to FFL NH. Your 03 Fed License is not allowed to be personally shipped by you.

Bottom line, out of state, FFL to FFL.

Thank You I said and hung up.

So MA is telling me I can't sell on GB and ship out of state to a FFL out of state. I need to take my GB sales to an full license FFL and have it shipped by them.

I'll just leave it there.

 

[drgrant]

Well......I make no comment but just this statement.

Just spoke to MA Firearms Lic Bureau

I was clear, said I was a lic holder in MA, not dealer, but also held a valid 03 FFL.

C&R rifle in state to another instate licensed resident perfectly fine, log it in the MA portal. And of course your 03 log book obligations.

Can a NH resident come here to purchase an 03 rifle, NO

Can I take the rifle to a NH FFL and conduct the transaction there, NO

Sir, what is allowable, reply, it's an interstate transaction and therefore it must go FFL MA to FFL NH. Your 03 Fed License is not allowed to be personally shipped by you.

Bottom line, out of state, FFL to FFL.

Thank You I said and hung up.

So MA is telling me I can't sell on GB and ship out of state to a FFL out of state. I need to take my GB sales to an full license FFL and have it shipped by them.

I'll just leave it there.

Honestly you just wasted your time calling people that mostly don't know what they're talking about. Particularly the bullshit about you not being able to ship guns to another dealer.

 

[HARRYM]

Roger Clemons had a sign on his locker stating whoever holds the most Gold makes the rules.

Laws mean nothing, it's whatever Judge you are sitting in front of that matters.

The State doesn't care about laws, period. They care about agenda and their "rules"

MA try to crucify 2 NH residents over rules, interpretations, and, well.....because they could. This spawned NH filing a lawsuit against MA last August over the whole mess.

MA has made this abundantly clear many time over, the rules, the laws, are whatever they say they are.

 

[MAJoe]

Roger Clemons had a sign on his locker stating whoever holds the most Gold makes the rules.

Laws mean nothing, it's whatever Judge you are sitting in front of that matters.

The State doesn't care about laws, period. They care about agenda and their "rules"

MA try to crucify 2 NH residents over rules, interpretations, and, well.....because they could. This spawned NH filing a lawsuit against MA last August over the whole mess.

MA has made this abundantly clear many time over, the rules, the laws, are whatever they say they are.

I mean, that’s very different. They broke the law.

There’s no law that says you can’t drive a gun to NH and sell via an FFL. MA has zero jurisdiction in that case. You’re legal with NH law and federal law. They’re correct that a NH resident can’t buy at a MA FFL even with a non-resident LTC. That’s controlled by MA law.

 

[drgrant]

Roger Clemons had a sign on his locker stating whoever holds the most Gold makes the rules.

Laws mean nothing, it's whatever Judge you are sitting in front of that matters.

The State doesn't care about laws, period. They care about agenda and their "rules"

MA try to crucify 2 NH residents over rules, interpretations, and, well.....because they could. This spawned NH filing a lawsuit against MA last August over the whole mess.

MA has made this abundantly clear many time over, the rules, the laws, are whatever they say they are.

You were talking to people who have no authority to prosecute you, though. Following shit that isn't actually the law can put you in actual legal peril.

This isn't like talking to CT's SFLU. (SFLU actually makes a good faith effort at being kegally accurate WRT CT law. )

 

[HARRYM]

I mean, that’s very different. They broke the law.

There’s no law that says you can’t drive a gun to NH and sell via an FFL. MA has zero jurisdiction in that case. You’re legal with NH law and federal law. They’re correct that a NH resident can’t buy at a MA FFL even with a non-resident LTC. That’s controlled by MA law.

I have always had a different take regarding MA and Blue States. In most instances the issue is not that they don't understand an issue, it's THEY DON'T CARE. I do hear 100% what you are saying but I don't trust them at all.

 

[Garys]

MA has no say in what you can do as an 03FFL. As long as you both have valid 03FFLs, you can ship to him. As others have pointed out, you need to exchange signed copies of your licenses.

I haven't done one is a long while, but UPS wants to see both licenses. They don't need to, but they insist upon it. You have to bring it to a depot, and you have to ship to the address on his license.

Unless you blab the details on line, MA isn't going to know that you did anything with anybody about anything.

That said, do what you think best.

 

[HARRYM]

MA has no say in what you can do as an 03FFL. As long as you both have valid 03FFLs, you can ship to him. As others have pointed out, you need to exchange signed copies of your licenses.

I haven't done one is a long while, but UPS wants to see both licenses. They don't need to, but they insist upon it. You have to bring it to a depot, and you have to ship to the address on his license.

Unless you blab the details on line, MA isn't going to know that you did anything with anybody about anything.

That said, do what you think best.

Out of state interest does not have an 03 lic.