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same here. i'd considered a para but after all the problems i've heard about with them... hell no.
Fooped
Resident HK Guru
Pulled from an earlier thread (posted by me):
FWIW,
I had the misfortune (as some of you already know) of owning the Para Warthog, and let me tell you... Utter piece of crap. I feel like grabbing a State Police bullhorn, driving to Canada to Para's HQ (Why Canada anyways?)
and screaming through it at the top of lungs at the whole building what a colossal pice of dung that gun was/is.
In a nutshell, here's my Para experience:
March 2006: Trundle up to Good 'Ol FS and plunk down my hard-earned cash on a Warthog with a bunch of .45 accoutrement, take it home, strip it down to make sure there's no funny business (casting errors, metal shavings, marmosets trapped in the chamber etc.) and go to bed happy.
March 2006: Take the 'Hog to the range, and gleefully fire it for the first time. Result:
Click click click click (x10), Ka-chink. Stuck slide. No el roundo in el chambero, hombre. "WTF?" Drop mag, clear jam, repeat: Ka-chink. Ok here we go! Bang! Bang! Ka-chunkkk! Stove pipe. "WTF??" Drop mag, clear jam. Repeat. FTF. "Arrrrrrrrgghhhhhhh!!!" Ad infinitum.
Imagine this occuring in one permutation or another over and over and over again with pretty much every common jam possible: FTF, FTE, double feed, etc etc.
Ok..... Maybe it doesn't like this ammo (Federal FMJ 230 grain)
A week or so later, I tried 3 or 4 different types of ammo in the gun (Federal again, UMC, S+B, and CCI Blazer) The Blazer was the only ammo that would evn remotely feed with any chance of consistency (And by that I mean only one to two jams per mag), and JHP was out of the question in any of the brands I tried. Entirely defeating the purpose of this gun as I bought it to carry.
And so it began, after a trip to a very reputable gunsmith, it was determined that the slide stop pin had sheared (much like the OP's) and that it would need to be replaced. He ordered the part and went through the gun top to bottom in the process, including test firing a bunch of ammo before returning it to me.
When I got it back, what do you suppose happened?
Yup, you guessed it:
Click click click, ka-chunk, bang, jam etc etc etc. "Goddammit!!!!! Arrrggghhhh!!! WTF! WTF! etc etc etc"
Now I'm thinkin' "Hmmmmmmm, maybe this little f***er is very sensitive to any type of odd grip or recoil compensating" so I had a few of my friends shoot it. Same result. Then I tried holding the thing in a death grip thinking that I might be limp-wristing it. No dice.
NOW I'm thinkin' "Hmmmmmmm, this thing sucks, but....."
All the while I'm online checking reviews and reports from other hapless souls who bought this utter POS, and the reports are similar almost across the board. But me being the never say die guy that I am...
I call Para, and am promptly underwhelmed with their bedside manor when I explained this whole thing (obviously in a far more brief and concise manner than is written here), and they tell me to send the whole gun to them AT MY EXPENSE!
By this point I'm so frustrated that I pony up the 54.00 to ship the gun to Tennesee or somewhere near there (Which of course is in the USA, more on this later) and am without the gun or any contact from Para for the better part of three weeks. Finally after multiple calls to the service center (Once again in the USA), I'm told that the whole slide has to be replaced and is backordered enroute from Canada!
Meh.
Do I really have a choice at this point? Between the gun, grips, holster and every kind of ammo on the planet, I'm into this debacle for over 900.00, so I stick it out...
I write Para a very concise letter stating that they WILL refund my shipping charges, as this is positively ridiculous. They let me know that they'll send my "request" to the main office, and let me know. I'm getting pissed just thinking about it...
Then I get the phone bill.
74.00 in long distance charges for calling the tech support/repair dept (which as I mentioned before is in the USA), but the calls route through CANADA! And there's no direct line to the service center or an 800 number! WTF????!!!??
I finally get the gun back after another 2-3 weeks, take it to the range, and it still will NOT function consistently. I would say, without any exaggeration, that I might have gotten 4-6 mags through the gun (out of 800-1000 rounds total) without a jam. The only thing it ever fed was the CCI Blazer, and even that was spotty.
End result:
Traded the piece of shit for my Desert Eagle in .44 Magnum, and never looked back. I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER PARA EVER AGAIN, AND WILL BE VERY VOCAL IN MAKING SURE THAT OTHERS KNOW OF MY EXPERIENCE.
Whew! I'm done now. Thanks for letting me vent!
__________________
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good
blaster at your side, kid.
-Han Solo, Pirate and Scoundrel
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Last edited by Fooped; 02-06-2007 at 03:08 PM.
FWIW,
I had the misfortune (as some of you already know) of owning the Para Warthog, and let me tell you... Utter piece of crap. I feel like grabbing a State Police bullhorn, driving to Canada to Para's HQ (Why Canada anyways?)
and screaming through it at the top of lungs at the whole building what a colossal pice of dung that gun was/is.
In a nutshell, here's my Para experience:
March 2006: Trundle up to Good 'Ol FS and plunk down my hard-earned cash on a Warthog with a bunch of .45 accoutrement, take it home, strip it down to make sure there's no funny business (casting errors, metal shavings, marmosets trapped in the chamber etc.) and go to bed happy.
March 2006: Take the 'Hog to the range, and gleefully fire it for the first time. Result:
Click click click click (x10), Ka-chink. Stuck slide. No el roundo in el chambero, hombre. "WTF?" Drop mag, clear jam, repeat: Ka-chink. Ok here we go! Bang! Bang! Ka-chunkkk! Stove pipe. "WTF??" Drop mag, clear jam. Repeat. FTF. "Arrrrrrrrgghhhhhhh!!!" Ad infinitum.
Imagine this occuring in one permutation or another over and over and over again with pretty much every common jam possible: FTF, FTE, double feed, etc etc.
Ok..... Maybe it doesn't like this ammo (Federal FMJ 230 grain)
A week or so later, I tried 3 or 4 different types of ammo in the gun (Federal again, UMC, S+B, and CCI Blazer) The Blazer was the only ammo that would evn remotely feed with any chance of consistency (And by that I mean only one to two jams per mag), and JHP was out of the question in any of the brands I tried. Entirely defeating the purpose of this gun as I bought it to carry.
And so it began, after a trip to a very reputable gunsmith, it was determined that the slide stop pin had sheared (much like the OP's) and that it would need to be replaced. He ordered the part and went through the gun top to bottom in the process, including test firing a bunch of ammo before returning it to me.
When I got it back, what do you suppose happened?
Yup, you guessed it:
Click click click, ka-chunk, bang, jam etc etc etc. "Goddammit!!!!! Arrrggghhhh!!! WTF! WTF! etc etc etc"
Now I'm thinkin' "Hmmmmmmm, maybe this little f***er is very sensitive to any type of odd grip or recoil compensating" so I had a few of my friends shoot it. Same result. Then I tried holding the thing in a death grip thinking that I might be limp-wristing it. No dice.
NOW I'm thinkin' "Hmmmmmmm, this thing sucks, but....."
All the while I'm online checking reviews and reports from other hapless souls who bought this utter POS, and the reports are similar almost across the board. But me being the never say die guy that I am...
I call Para, and am promptly underwhelmed with their bedside manor when I explained this whole thing (obviously in a far more brief and concise manner than is written here), and they tell me to send the whole gun to them AT MY EXPENSE!
By this point I'm so frustrated that I pony up the 54.00 to ship the gun to Tennesee or somewhere near there (Which of course is in the USA, more on this later) and am without the gun or any contact from Para for the better part of three weeks. Finally after multiple calls to the service center (Once again in the USA), I'm told that the whole slide has to be replaced and is backordered enroute from Canada!
Meh.
Do I really have a choice at this point? Between the gun, grips, holster and every kind of ammo on the planet, I'm into this debacle for over 900.00, so I stick it out...
I write Para a very concise letter stating that they WILL refund my shipping charges, as this is positively ridiculous. They let me know that they'll send my "request" to the main office, and let me know. I'm getting pissed just thinking about it...
Then I get the phone bill.
74.00 in long distance charges for calling the tech support/repair dept (which as I mentioned before is in the USA), but the calls route through CANADA! And there's no direct line to the service center or an 800 number! WTF????!!!??
I finally get the gun back after another 2-3 weeks, take it to the range, and it still will NOT function consistently. I would say, without any exaggeration, that I might have gotten 4-6 mags through the gun (out of 800-1000 rounds total) without a jam. The only thing it ever fed was the CCI Blazer, and even that was spotty.
End result:
Traded the piece of shit for my Desert Eagle in .44 Magnum, and never looked back. I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER PARA EVER AGAIN, AND WILL BE VERY VOCAL IN MAKING SURE THAT OTHERS KNOW OF MY EXPERIENCE.
Whew! I'm done now. Thanks for letting me vent!
__________________
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good
blaster at your side, kid.
-Han Solo, Pirate and Scoundrel
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last edited by Fooped; 02-06-2007 at 03:08 PM.
You know, until I had started reading this board I thought they were cool innovatine guns and had every intention of picking one up. I'm just not willing to take the risk, other companies have their issues, but I can't stand companies that won't support a product post-purchase. Too bad, since many models can be had in Ma.
I loved my Para Covert Carry 6.45 LDA, but despised the Warthog - difficult to handle, awkward and great if you like to eat muzzle flash and unburned powder...Hopefully, Para will get it's chit together when it moves to the US...They do indeed offer very innovative designs and I had an example that was, (and is) absolutely flawless...
Glock 30
I don't like small 1911s... whether it's by para or whoever.
An officer's mod is about the smallest I'd go... and even those have their
issues.
He'll be a lot better off if he learns to like a commander sized gun instead.
-Mike
An officer's mod is about the smallest I'd go... and even those have their
issues.
He'll be a lot better off if he learns to like a commander sized gun instead.
-Mike
+2 for the G30. 10+1 in the gun, backup G21 mag with extension for 15 more rounds of .45 ACP goodness...
What's not to love?
W
wolf223
http://forum.m1911.org/index.php?
seems their double-stack models, slim / covert / wart / PDA - non single stack full size 1911's are POS Jamomattics
![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
seems their double-stack models, slim / covert / wart / PDA - non single stack full size 1911's are POS Jamomattics
