Personal sales now under the new law

[bdb]

So with the new MA gun laws last year it appears that most feel the old FA10 system is dead, or at least not a legal requirement anymore but the new system for registration is not yet live. So how are people dealing with personal sales or purchases now? Are people still doing the eFA10 to sell a gun or just selling it on a bill of sale and be done with it? Asking for a friend obviously

 

[PATRON]

I still do the EFA-10 just to cover my ass. I don't trust the STATE.

 

[not new guy]

I've done it both ways, usually depending on the counterparty's comfort level.

 

[bdb]

I did the eFA10 on a recent sale for basically the same reason that PATRON stated and curious how others are handling it.

 

[KH56010]

You can make up whatever requirement you feel makes you comfortable. Or you can just follow what the law says. Check the LTC, they give you payment, you give them firearm, and you both drive away.

 

[BroncoAZ]

You can make up whatever requirement you feel makes you comfortable. Or you can just follow what the law says. Check the LTC, they give you payment, you give them firearm, and you both drive away.

I have a hard time accepting that MA is treating sales like a free state would. Maybe I’m ing, but I don’t want to be on the wrong end of things when the dust settles.

 

[kevin9]

I have a hard time accepting that MA is treating sales like a free state would. Maybe I’m ing, but I don’t want to be on the wrong end of things when the dust settles.

i.e., you don't want to be the test case. I can see that.

 

[Broc Tuah]

I don't blame people for wanting to use the FA10 just in case.

I recently bought a gun from a NES member and he wanted to do an FA10.

It is what it is, cant trust this State.

 

[pupchow]

I used the eFA10 for the first four.

 

[Mountain]

I still do the EFA-10 just to cover my ass. I don't trust the STATE.

This

 

[El_Guapo77]

I still do the EFA-10 just to cover my ass. I don't trust the STATE.

This never trust the state to do ANYTHING right

 

[KH56010]

I have a hard time accepting that MA is treating sales like a free state would. Maybe I’m ing, but I don’t want to be on the wrong end of things when the dust settles.

You can make up whatever requirement you feel makes you comfortable. Or you can just follow what the law says. Check the LTC, they give you payment, you give them firearm, and you both drive away.

 

[jasonj84]

I used the eFA10 for the first four.

And after that you didn't need lube?

 

[pupchow]

And after that you didn't need lube?

Yeah.

 

[Picton]

I've done it both ways, usually depending on the counterparty's comfort level.

This is the right answer.

A stand-up seller and a stand-up buyer will be looking to ensure a smooth transaction where both are satisfied, even happy. That's best done by communicating, figuring out what the other guy wants, and accommodating him.

We can be jerks on the boards sometimes, but I've done a lot of transactions here and none of them have been unpleasant or shady. When selling, my concern has always been the buyer and not the State; it's still that way.

 

[Varmint]

If you can legally sell guns now without an eFA10, the state no longer has any idea what you own, since you could have sold it all?

 

[MAJoe]

If you can legally sell guns now without an eFA10, the state no longer has any idea what you own, since you could have sold it all?

That’s no different than the old law. If you trucked everything to an out of state dealer there was no FA10 done. There would be no state record of the disposition. The FA10 system has holes you could drive through.

 

[Mark from ?]

If you can legally sell guns now without an eFA10, the state no longer has any idea what you own, since you could have sold it all?

Over 30 years probably traded or sold 15 guns at Kittery Trading post....probably more.....

If someone looked up my FA-10 records...dollars to donuts I own every friggin one of them still, as there is no outbound, and the state has no idea that i sold or traded it. Nor is there any law to tell them I did.

I bet that even the ones I transferred via FA-10 in state legally in the old system......both the new owner and I still own the same freaking gun.

Great system.........and it called to the carpet its the state's responsibility to verify that you still own it. Good luck with that!

 

[nstassel]

You can make up whatever requirement you feel makes you comfortable. Or you can just follow what the law says. Check the LTC, they give you payment, you give them firearm, and you both drive away.

That's a very high degree of confidence.

MGL Ch. 140, s 121B still says:

(e) Whoever fails to register a firearm in violation of subsection (a), or fails to report a transaction, loss or theft in violation of subsections (b) or (c) shall be punished as follows: (i) by a fine of not more than $1,000 for a first offense;

 

[Dennis in MA]

I have a hard time accepting that MA is treating sales like a free state would. Maybe I’m ing, but I don’t want to be on the wrong end of things when the dust settles.

I concur, but registration is unconstitutional. But. . . . . . do I really wanna be the test case in this district?

 

[boscru]

i guess i missed this one. is the transaction portal not available now?

 

[MAJoe]

i guess i missed this one. is the transaction portal not available now?

It’s available, but there is an internet expert opinion that since the new law doesn’t require FA10s, only the new to be created registration system, that you can just do whatever you want. If it sounds too good to be true…

 

[paul73]

If you can legally sell guns now without an eFA10, the state no longer has any idea what you own, since you could have sold it all?

i would think from the position of the law implementers - since you are obligated to register the firearm, but there is no registration system available yet, then in their mind no one is allowed to perform any sales, at all. it is just a sarcastic comment, not a serious precaution, of course.

state has a very good idea of what you own from the documents the original ffl submitted - one who sold gun to you.
and state will more likely than not try to make it your pain to deal with a demand to 'present it now', after you sold that.

 

[drgrant]

I have a hard time accepting that MA is treating sales like a free state would. Maybe I’m ing, but I don’t want to be on the wrong end of things when the dust settles.

Nobody's going to be. The state doesn't know it's ass from a hole in the ground.

 

[Picton]

I have a hard time accepting that MA is treating sales like a free state would. Maybe I’m ing, but I don’t want to be on the wrong end of things when the dust settles.

MA isn't "treating sales like a free state would." They are passing a law they don't care about, assuming everyone is going to comply, and not giving a rat's ass if nobody does. As far as they're concerned, their part is done; they don't care what happens next.

This has always been window dressing. The state legislature didn't care about EFA10s before, they don't now, and they won't in the future. They'll all get reelected (which was the main point of the whole thing) and be able to tell people they stuck it to Trump and stood up for public safety. The actual results don't matter one bit.

The dust won't settle. It already has. The "new registry system" is unlikely to ever emerge. This is the new normal.

 

[paul73]

The "new registry system" is unlikely to ever emerge.

yep. it is a most likely outcome for sure.

as of efa10s - if you are not a gangbanger and do not sell prohibited items - it will neither hurt nor benefit one if it is done or not done. most still do that, i do too, but i mostly only buy now and do not sell anything anymore.

 

[nstassel]

Nobody's going to be. The state doesn't know it's ass from a hole in the ground.

I don't disagree that the system is in shambles. I do have clients still getting charged with failing to register transactions. I recommend everyone keep good records of every transaction in and out of their possession.

 

[drgrant]

I don't disagree that the system is in shambles. I do have clients still getting charged with failing to register transactions. I recommend everyone k keep good records of every transaction in and out of their possession.

Is this because it's based off of being found with a gun that's not in the system?

Regardless I don't think it's something most people should worry about, but I think if they ever finish the second system some of that shit is going to change because it's going to be way easier to prosecute people with it once the implementation period has expired.

 

[drgrant]

MA isn't "treating sales like a free state would." They are passing a law they don't care about, assuming everyone is going to comply, and not giving a rat's ass if nobody does. As far as they're concerned, their part is done; they don't care what happens next.

This has always been window dressing. The state legislature didn't care about EFA10s before, they don't now, and they won't in the future. They'll all get reelected (which was the main point of the whole thing) and be able to tell people they stuck it to Trump and stood up for public safety. The actual results don't matter one bit.

The dust won't settle. It already has. The "new registry system" is unlikely to ever emerge. This is the new normal.

I think the odds of this new system actually existing are not zero but it depends on if they got any funding for it and someone but who the hell knows I know the gcab/eops people have been making noises about this system.

Most of the new law is a shit show but this part of it is they actually pretty straightforward outside of the fact that they didn't seem to be any kind of a thing where they authorized funding for it but I probably missed that.

If it ever goes live we should get some 50 ft trailers of depends because we could probably make millions of dollars at that point based off the pant shitting and kvetching of the pantshitter crew.

 

[Picton]

If it ever goes live we should get some 50 ft trailers of depends because we could probably make millions of dollars at that point based off the pant shitting and kvetching of the pantshitter crew.

You ain't lying.

They've probably got spreadsheets already, with the data ready to swap into the new system the instant it goes live.