Pistol AR 411

if it is registered as a pistol and fits the definition of a pistol, and not a short barreled rifle or an any other weapon, then it is a pistol

a pistol is subject to the awb of ma, usually being too heavy and having barrel shrouds and the shoulder thing that goes up
 
The AR pistol falls under AWB because it exceeds 50 ounces.
From GOAL
The definition of “assault weapon” is the same as the federal law that went into effect on September 13, 1994. Specific guns are banned by name, and guns with certain combinations of features are banned:
a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon ;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
(v) a grenade launcher;
​
a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip,
or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits
the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
Fro​
 
It would never be considered "non-mass compliant"
But as others have said it would likely be considered an "Assault pistol".

Non mass compliant pistols won't get you in any trouble.
Assault pistols will.
 
Here is a pic of the one I had when I lived in MA. It was made in 1996 so it was pre 98 for MA. Or you could find one that is pre 94 AWB. Mine was a Professional Ordnance Carbon-15. It got around the weight by being made of carbon fiber so it was 49 ounces

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dartamon said:
It's possible. You need a plastic lower and a slickside upper. What's the purpose of an AR pistol though?
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The ability to have a short barrel AR without it being on a Form 1.

So even if it was less than 50 ounces, the barrel shroud would make it a no go, and due to the fact that it accepts a magazine outside of the pistol grip??? That would be 2 features... SUCKS!!!
 
dartamon said:
It's possible. You need a plastic lower and a slickside upper. What's the purpose of an AR pistol though?
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In most places loaded rifles in a vehicle are a no no (mostly for fish and game issues) this gives you some options. In Fl anyone who isn't federally prohibited can have a loaded pistol "securely encased" in their vehicle. You could also "carry" this most places (ie not MA) as its a pistol and be legal vs. a long gun.

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does anyone know of a MA compliant factory made assault pistol? the keltec is almost there but not quite
 
Birdz said:
does anyone know of a MA compliant factory made assault pistol? the keltec is almost there but not quite
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Olympic Arms OA-98 and Bushmaster Carbon-15 pistol. Not sure if either is still produced and you would have to find an FFL to transfer something that is not on the EOPS list. It's do-able but would probably be easier to build your own from a plastic lower.
 
Alex9661 said:
There is a discussion http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...rding-ability-accept-detachable-magazine.html in MA gun laws about making a mag non-detachable to circumvent an AW pistol definition. Quick reload is definitely out of question but having something capable of firing 30 rounds of .556 in your nightstand would be a good option for home defense.
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rkwjunior said:
The ability to have a short barrel AR without it being on a Form 1.

So even if it was less than 50 ounces, the barrel shroud would make it a no go, and due to the fact that it accepts a magazine outside of the pistol grip??? That would be 2 features... SUCKS!!!
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I suppose... You could *Possibly* (Read Probably NOT, at least I wouldn't) eliminate the detachable magazine by doing the California tool to remove the MAG button thing.....

Hers an article about the bullet button:

The Bullet Button Magazine Release

Or better (option, but I still wouldn't) weld the mag into the mag-well. Its 30 rounds, no quick reloads, but you can do a lot with 30 rounds of 5.56
Break it down and load the mag through the top of the lower.

In theory... Then all other rules do not apply as it is a pistol not able to accept a detachable magazine.....[dance] But good luck explaining that your SUPER BLACK EVIL KILLY LOOKING thing is legal.... to MASS law enforcement, who probably is *rusty* (read ****ing clueless) on Mass Gun Law.

Better chance at the lottery.....

MASS LAWS = [bs1][bs2]


My post jsut a about sums up that other thread. - some stuff I didn't read....[rofl]
 
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dartamon said:
It's possible. You need a plastic lower and a slickside upper. What's the purpose of an AR pistol though?
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There isn't really a practical purpose. It can be a workaround for states where you can't get a SBR, or if you're in a state that does allow it but you don't want to jump through the hoops. You get the capacity and power of a rifle in a small package. Some people shoulder the buffer tube when they're shooting it. It makes for an awkward sight picture, but it can work. It's not like .223 produces enough recoil to cause any pain from doing this. I've got a couple, and I mostly use them on the 100 and 200 yard rifle ranges at my club. It's more fun to drill a steel plate at 200 yards 30 times in under a minute through an AR pistol than it is to do it in 10 minutes through a TC Encore. I recently ran the Winter Hora Dolor in Townsend and I shot the rifle stage with an AR pistol (100 yards at steel from 3 different positions). Did better than some of the people shooting rifles. I've got a Kel-Tec (no buffer tube), and a standard pistol marked AR lower that I've got a couple of uppers for. They may not be practical, but they are a ton of fun. It was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I think the only MA AWB compliant AR pistols were the carbon 15, and the Olympic Arms "cheese grater" configuration pistol.

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thanks guys, does anyone else know of a assault pistol you can own in MA? it doesn't have to be an AR style and it can be any caliber. thanks!
 
Working on getting the paperwork that says using a bullet button DQs it as an AW. This will open up a lot of possibilities.
 
Birdz said:
thanks guys, does anyone else know of a assault pistol you can own in MA? it doesn't have to be an AR style and it can be any caliber. thanks!
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I'm sure there are some pre-ban tec-9's and mac's floating around Mass. If money is no object the occasional sp-89 pops up (but usually for $3-4000). There's that re-pro of the steyr spp too. Probably be hard to find the gun itself, and harder to find mags. You're really just gaining capacity with those. But that only makes a difference if you're trying justify your purchase by saying it meets some kind of practical purpose. Assault pistols as a general rule do not meet any practical purpose or need. They fill the awesome niche. I've got a thing for oddball ungainly pistols. I've got a couple of AR pistols, a tec-9, an encore, and a 9mm broomhandle. I'd probably buy a mac if I found one for the right price, and I'd love an sp-89, but I have a hard time justifying the price.
 

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