Premium AK-style? (Galil Ace, Sig MCX etc)

[Varmint]

There seem to be a flood of premium AKs coming out: Galil Ace, Sig's MCX, I think PWS has a 7.62x39 upper, if not a full rifle.

Can someone help me out with a few dumb questions?

- I see mention of AR-platform 7.62x39, how does that work, doesn't it need a unique lower to handle that round? Does Sig's 7.62x39 upper work on a 5.56 lower or did I misread that?

- Do pre-ban steel AK mags work on all these premium rifles?

- Are these worth the money over a regular AK? I know they look cool and all.

 

[beaker]

I'd buy a Galil Ace over the other's you mentioned. I don't have any AK stuff, but the Galil looks like an excellent rifle. They will be coming out with a 556 version, and a 308 version as well. The Sig AK is heavy.

 

[Varmint]

I'd buy a Galil Ace over the other's you mentioned. I don't have any AK stuff, but the Galil looks like an excellent rifle. They will be coming out with a 556 version, and a 308 version as well. The Sig AK is heavy.

I think that makes sense, the Galil has been in combat for several years now I think? Probably it's reliable and combat proven. Sig seems to have a lot of reliability problems with their recent US-designed rifles. I thought the MCX was pretty light though, advertised as 6 lbs. I'd want to wait a few years on a new Sig rifle for them to iron out the bugs.

 

[June4th]

Don't forget Daewoo K2. If you got 4 million N Korean army breathing down your neck, you'd come up with a good rifle in a hurry too.

 

[Varmint]

Don't forget Daewoo K2. If you got 4 million N Korean army breathing down your neck, you'd come up with a good rifle in a hurry too.

I think that's 5.56 no?

 

[Queen Bee]

I would buy a century arms ras 47

 

[June4th]

I think that's 5.56 no?

Yep. Daewoo DR300 is in 762x39, It's known for having bolt issues, however.

 

[warwickben]

Besides the galil ace nothing you listed is a ak based lol .

I personally would stay away ar based gun in 7.62x39 on a standard lower .
It is true you can get them to run but the mags can be iffy . For the cost of building one you could be stuck in a endless cycle of mag problem . Or you could hit a home run and not have to worry . Preban mags might be stupid hard to find .
If I was going for a ar that shot 7.62x39 I would lean towards a lower that takes ak mags. Even then some of the lowers don't work with all ak mags .
The cmmg muntant might be your best bet .

For a high end ak based gun
Galil ace be pretty nice.

Sig upper on a ak mag lower be awesome , since you could put a folding stock on it . Since there upper uses a different recoil action . Designed to be piston from the start .

I wouldn't go with pws. Yeah it's long stroke like a ak but the cost of it is crazy money . Not saying it's bad but piston ar's wear differently due to carrier tilt.

If you want a ak there is a lot of different shops putting out guns. 90% are just parts kit guns. A few are 100% made in the USA tho.

Then there's the http://www.creativearms.com/phone/index.html
Ak style bolt carrier in a gun that's more like the ar.

And there is also the arak21 uppers.

I would buy a century arms ras 47

I wouldn't buy one unless I could inspect it in person first .

 

[Varmint]

Besides the galil ace nothing you listed is a ak based lol .

I personally would stay away ar based gun in 7.62x39 on a standard lower .
It is true you can get them to run but the mags can be iffy . For the cost of building one you could be stuck in a endless cycle of mag problem . Or you could hit a home run and not have to worry . Preban mags might be stupid hard to find .
If I was going for a ar that shot 7.62x39 I would lean towards a lower that takes ak mags. Even then some of the lowers don't work with all ak mags .
The cmmg muntant might be your best bet .

For a high end ak based gun
Galil ace be pretty nice.

Sig upper on a ak mag lower be awesome , since you could put a folding stock on it . Since there upper uses a different recoil action . Designed to be piston from the start .

I wouldn't go with pws. Yeah it's long stroke like a ak but the cost of it is crazy money . Not saying it's bad but piston ar's wear differently due to carrier tilt.

If you want a ak there is a lot of different shops putting out guns. 90% are just parts kit guns. A few are 100% made in the USA tho.

Great, thanks, that explains what I was wondering. I really don't want to platform with borderline reliability, which sounds like what AR-platform AKs are, and I need something that works well with pre-ban mags.

I think I'll spring for a Galil Ace, if they ever make it to market. Probably wait til the initial stampede wears off, like the Tavor, which came out at $2000 and dropped to $1600.

PS I thought the Sig MCX in 7.62 was a full AK platform, didn't realize it's an AR platform.

 

[warwickben]

Ar on top ak on bottom .

Caliber don't meany any thing . I have 556/223 ak.

 

[MJ1]

 

[Imprezah]

If you wanna shoot a 30cal out of an AR, go 300 block out not 7.62x39. There is much more parts support. If you want an AK that shoots something smaller than 7.62x39 buy an Ak74 or a saiga/vepr in .223.

 

[warwickben]

If you wanna shoot a 30cal out of an AR, go 300 block out not 7.62x39. There is much more parts support. If you want an AK that shoots something smaller than 7.62x39 buy an Ak74 or a saiga/vepr in .223.

Any 74 based ak can shoot 556 or .300 with a barrel swap

 

[Varmint]

Galil ACE pistols are shipping, rifle in 30 days. Who's getting one?

 

[dcmdon]

To the OP.

Do you want an AK or do you want a gun that fires .223?

I wanted an AK, but I wanted a gun that fires .223. So I bought a Preban Norinco 84.
Its the nicest AK I've ever handled. The sights are better, the receiver is made of a thicker stamping, the barrel is a bit thicker and its all finished to commercial quality.

And it shoots .223 which I reload. The only downside is the mags are expensive. But they are very very durable. I got a bunch with the gun, so I'm set.

 

[Love Machine]

An AK is an AK. I don't know what can be "premium" about, as long as monkeys didn't assemble it. You can bolt on fake tits, but it'll still be the same platform underneath. My choice was and still is to get a good kit and assemble it.