Shock makes people do stupid things. I can't really see where she won't get off, but its too bad it happened.
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Road Rage Shooting in WA- Female rider kills driver
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Shock makes people do stupid things. I can't really see where she won't get off, but its too bad it happened.
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Nailed it imho. If it had been two 60 year old men who both pulled over, slapped each other around a bit and then one shot the other, the police would be approaching this as two idiots fighting followed by what, manslaughter?
But now one of these two idiots happens to be a passable looking young woman so we go all white knight on her.
She could just as easily be a crazy biotch. Another Jodi Arias.
Awww, the poor baby. Play acting.
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I've seen the Steamship Authority ferry come to a grinding halt for two kids on a Sunfish that cut across the channel in Nantucket harbor in front of it and capsize. One of those kids was my brother. The boat may not have hit him, but our father made him wish it had.
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(...and a Sunfish is nearly 14', making it a slightly more formidable obstical for a supertanker.)
She stopped in the HOV lane behind stopped traffic, he pulled up in the breakdown lane beside her and got out of his truck. Having a tough time seeing how he's not the aggressor.
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I thought it was MASS*VELOCITY^2 always wins.
Sounds like she was blocked in by his SUV on her left. No telling if she could have escaped between the HOV lane and the other traffic lane, but if the bike was up against the car in front, she would have had to back it up before she could turn right and split lanes.
devided by 2, it's mV^2/2 = energy
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Ok, I'm seeing that now also in other articles. That wasn't in the article posted by the OP. If that's what happened then I would agree with you. That changes things quite a bit. This one will be interested one to follow.
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Yep, that sure makes it sound a lot more like self defense.
Surfing around other links, I saw a photo of the police inspecting the right side of her bike and it mentioned that they were inspecting the left/front side if the SUV. If there had been a collision or contact it would explain why they were pulled over in that lane.
I've seen the Steamship Authority ferry come to a grinding halt for two kids on a Sunfish that cut across the channel in Nantucket harbor in front of it and capsize. One of those kids was my brother. The boat may not have hit him, but our father made him wish it had.
(...and a Sunfish is nearly 14', making it a slightly more formidable obstical for a supertanker.)
When I took that boating class I had a total of maybe 5 pubic hairs, it was a LONG time ago and there's been a LOT of Southern Comfort and MJ since then. Although (sadly) no MJ since I'm in healthcare and they take a dim view...
I think that's the formula to determine "force" but yeah, either way a little Styrofoam sailboat is gonna maybe leave a pretty smudge on a YUUUUUUGE boat... And again, Physics 101 was a LONG time ago
Never, EVER, stop that close to the vehicle in front of you. ALWAYS have an escape route. The jack@ss coming up behind you may not see your bike superimposed against the car in front of you because he's too busy changing the radio station and hit you. Having an extra few feet to move up last second or be able to squirt in to the space between lanes (even if there's not enough room to actually GO anywhere) may be what saves your a$$. Ask me how I know...
I was reading a PNW bike forum and gun forum.
Reportedly Jones, the GMC driver, had a dash cam and the troopers reviewed it. It is believed he was the aggressor and the reason she was not arrested. To complicate the matter, the anti's may find she was no stranger to the law. Someone with the same name is popular with the courts. Aubrey Tayler Bowlin is the best, full name, to use.
Reportedly Jones, the GMC driver, had a dash cam and the troopers reviewed it. It is believed he was the aggressor and the reason she was not arrested. To complicate the matter, the anti's may find she was no stranger to the law. Someone with the same name is popular with the courts. Aubrey Tayler Bowlin is the best, full name, to use.
It's not that the courts hold both sides responsible, it's that there's a built in "predjudice" with road rage that's
reinforced by a public perception of such things. Throw in the implied duty to retreat in MA, and then you have a
potential legal cauldron consisting of boiling turds to deal with.
That said even in MA under some narrow circumstances I can see where she might walk...
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LOL, not sure if serious. if his dashcam video shows him hitting her first, not crying any tears for that
guy. It ain't a white knight thing either- it's more of a "don't assault people" thing, although I bet at somewhere
in the mix she is probably an escalator of this whole thing. Maybe she hit his mirror, kicked his truck or
something like that... wonder if that is on the camera, too.
I agree most of these people are, at some level, mutual combat idiots though. It's just mind fumblingly stupid.
-Mike
Uhhhhh.......who carries NOT locked and loaded?????? Hardly "premeditation". Reminds me of a guy that almost shit his pants when my shirt rode up and he saw the hammer back on my 1911. "Man, that's really dangerous, that's ready to go off!"
When I lived down south, I didn't own a car. I rode my motorcycle year round.
Some people are seriously unhinged about motorcycles. They would road rage about anything. I'd get raged at for not riding like an a**h***. People would get mad if I didn't lane split, or mad if I "took" a parking spot instead of parking on the sidewalk.
I've had numerous people follow me. One boxed me in at a gas station and I ended up drawing on him when he wanted to charge me.
I say all this because I can easily see this lady having done nothing to provoke this. For many, just existing and being on the roads on a bike is provocation.
My road rage plan was always to pull over. Usually the helmet cam and the realizing they'd have to exit their steel cage was enough for folks to back off. And I'm not getting in some dangerous high speed chase on a bike.
Funnily enough, the real shithead bikers rarely have this issue. They might break your mirror, but then they're gone. Down a skinny gap or sidewalk a car can't fit down.
Some people are seriously unhinged about motorcycles. They would road rage about anything. I'd get raged at for not riding like an a**h***. People would get mad if I didn't lane split, or mad if I "took" a parking spot instead of parking on the sidewalk.
I've had numerous people follow me. One boxed me in at a gas station and I ended up drawing on him when he wanted to charge me.
I say all this because I can easily see this lady having done nothing to provoke this. For many, just existing and being on the roads on a bike is provocation.
My road rage plan was always to pull over. Usually the helmet cam and the realizing they'd have to exit their steel cage was enough for folks to back off. And I'm not getting in some dangerous high speed chase on a bike.
Funnily enough, the real shithead bikers rarely have this issue. They might break your mirror, but then they're gone. Down a skinny gap or sidewalk a car can't fit down.
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What kind of a Man is gonna try and punch out a 24 year old women in the first damn place. This guy has to have a history of being a road rage nut case. If a 6' 2" 230 lb Male got off the bike would he have swung on him?
South Carolina. Sold the bike before moving up here and bought my first car. Was riding bikes exclusively for about 7 years.
I wouldn't be so sure about mutual combat. On a bike, you're always "outside". You don't have the option to stay inside your locked car and call the police. If someone gets out of your car, the prudent move is to dismount and stop the engine. Don't want to end up pinned under 500lbs of hot motor when some road raging tool pushes you over.
First thing I saw when I clicked on your link. Aubrey has a bit of a social media problem. She's a hothead with all kinds of attitude.
So what? Anyone with a bad attitude is open season for roadside beatings.
Nothing she posted suggested she has a violence problem. Just seems like a typical young person that uses coarse language and complains too much.
Riding in Boston, I’ve thought a lot about what to do and how. You need both hands to operate the bike, so you have to decide almost instantly whether to stay on the bike and get out of there, or get off it. You have to dismount to the left and lower the kickstand, or drop the bike. Carrying in a place that’s secure and accessible with riding gear on isn’t that easy.
“Drop a gear and disappear” isn’t always an option in heavy traffic, commuters will try to kill you for lane splitting.
Unconfirmed, but what's starting to float around the interwebs is that he chased her up to stopped traffic, got out of his truck, she got off her bike, they exchanged heated words, he started to beat on her, on the ground, she managed to get up, he pinned her against the median barrier and continued to beat on her, she pushed him away for long enough to clear her gun and put one center mass. Lots of witnesses, a dash cam, and the cops released her.
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