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S&W M&P AR15 thoughts?
- Thread starter Palladin
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Dirtypacman
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Well that will prove the point
Palladin
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He didn't tell us that he had a spare -- or that he is a S&W sponsored competition shooter. If he needs another rifle, he just gives a call to his factory contact.
I know PaulD really likes his. I was considering one before I purchased one elsewhere. I liked the fit and finish and the component selection was particularly strong.
Stay clear of the early models, but if it's new - they are good to go. Not my cup of tea in the "MA compliant" mode, (I'd rather build to suit), but if you buy one like PaulD's, the value is superb. If you're looking for a base carbine, I'd just build one, or have one built, but if you want one with all the goodies out of the box, the S&W is a super choice...
Make It In Mass
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Here's a S&W M&P 15FT with all of the Mass-Friendly features. No flash-hider, no bayonet lug, a pinned stock and a pre-ban 30 round magazine. It runs great on all types of ammunition, both brass and steel-cased (after breaking it in with 500 rounds of Federal XM193 Brown Box 5.56mm). ![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
Here's a S&W M&P 15FT with all of the Mass-Friendly features. No flash-hider, no bayonet lug, a pinned stock and a pre-ban 30 round magazine. It runs great on all types of ammunition, both brass and steel-cased (after breaking it in with 500 rounds of Federal XM193 Brown Box 5.56mm).
Is that the factory S&W stock?
Indeed. I have the same one as Urj and Make It In Mass and I got it before the price increase and with the rebate. So, it was a great deal.
It's more accurate than I am and has been very reliable. I had a problem with one magazine but that was it.
I occasionally wish I got a Sig 556 but that's really just to be different.
Make It In Mass
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It is, with a LimbSaver recoil pad slipped over the end to give me an extra inch of reach.
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I did some research, basicly Smith M&Ps are restamped Stags. Stag Arms is owned by the son of the ower/founder of Continental Machine Tool(CMT), basicly the two compainies are joined at the hip right here next to me in New Britain, CT. I also hear that Stag does the repair work for S&W on the M&Ps.
Yesterday, I finally broke down and purchased an AR, I could see no point in paying (lots)extra so some other company could put there name on it, I bought a Stag Arms Model3 from a local shop. I couldn't be happier, it is one of the most excellect rifles I've ever fired, solid as hell with great accuracy and its only right out of the box. It was more expensive the other rifles I was considering but at <$850 out the door(not including accessories) it was hundereds less than the restamped band names I've been looking into.
my $.02
Yesterday, I finally broke down and purchased an AR, I could see no point in paying (lots)extra so some other company could put there name on it, I bought a Stag Arms Model3 from a local shop. I couldn't be happier, it is one of the most excellect rifles I've ever fired, solid as hell with great accuracy and its only right out of the box. It was more expensive the other rifles I was considering but at <$850 out the door(not including accessories) it was hundereds less than the restamped band names I've been looking into.
my $.02
Your research is out of date. The early ones were rebadged Stags (and maybe the cheaper ones still are). The more recent ones are built in house by S&W and use LMT bolt carrier groups.
Also, just because a company works as an outsourced manufacturer doesn't mean both products are the same quality. S&W can possibly require a higher spec. GM makes automatic transmissions for BMW. They aren't the same transmission that GM puts in a Chevy Cobalt.
I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to flame. I'm not going to get into it over the matter or such an asinine compairison you make with the autos, which don't pretain, in the least, to this subject.
Back on topic, if a person wishes to piss thier money away on a name stamp, so be it.
I am out.
Where you are paying more (not much more at that) for the S&W is with the extra attention to detail... M4 feedramps and a quality LMT BCG. Out of the box it is a better rifle than what OA, Bushmaster, Stag, DPMS, etc. put out, it's a simple fact. I'd much rather pay the few extra bucks and get a better rifle.
It's not an asinine comparison. It's an analogy. When one company outsources manufacturing to another, they hold that company to a spec. It's pretty basic.
To your original point, right now, at least some models of M&P15 are built by S&W themselves using LMT parts.
Paul is right on the money. Early production Smith and Wesson's were little more than reworked Stags and it showed...New production Smith and Wessons are indeed made in house and a side by side comparison with an off the shelf Stag will show some subtle and not so subtle differences in build, components, fit, finish etc...
Sorry..I shouldn't have said that. Nothing personal but I'd been shopping guns and trades all week. I thought long and hard on what I wanted, how much to spend and what brand\type weapon to buy. I've heard so many "opinions" on the subject I got a real headache over it. I read your post and it was the "breaking straw"... I took it as you telling me I made poor a decision,
I'm very happy with the Stag, the quality of the build is excellent, the fit and finish is beautiful, everything is straight and nothing even rattles.
NP and me saying "your research is out of date" was a bit too blunt
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.There's nothing wrong with Stag whatsoever. I just saw a difference with the M&P15FT that I got. What really sold it for me was the Troy BUIS set an the rebate. Lately I've been wishing I bought a Sig 556 instead though.
