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Because I don't want the stress on the springs. Kinda like keeping mags full, doesn't matter a whole lot but if you are going to potentially forget about a gun for a year IMO it's a better way to store it. Mags I store down 10% from full, because I never know how long a mag will sit between cycles.
Mesatchornug
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You are aware that properly designed springs are killed only by cycles, not time under tension, right?
Obviously, you should do whatever gives you the warm fuzzies, but there's no mechanical reason to do these things. Unless you don't trust that the manufacturers spec'ed their springs correctly; if that's the case, why buy those firearms?
I understand it makes little difference but I don't buy that keeping springs fully compressed for a year+ is the same as relaxing it.
Mag manufacturers say for instance reduce capacity by a round if you want & occasionally cycle them; since I can't reliably count on that I try to take it easy on springs during storage.
Mesatchornug
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If you actually believe that, I hope you also carry with the trigger relaxed, and the magazines downloaded; I would hate for your springs to fail when you actually need them.
AHM
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AHM
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Nah, it's just some avatar I found in a recycle bin.
fshalor
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Depends on weapon too. If you don't let the slide do a full force close on some Mk2 Rugers, you can be in for some interesting things.
Slide moving forward from full back is pretty much required to put the weapon in full battery.
For making the weapon "safe". That's what chamber flags are for.
If I see a semiautomatic with a closed action, it is a loaded weapon and is to be handled as such. With or with magazine.
I have always followed two additional hints. When inspecting the chamber physically and visually, also break eye contact with the chamber and being eyes back before completing check.
The rifle course I took 15 years ago was taught by a magician of a former LRRP who loved trying to sneak snapcaps into your chamber while you were fiddling with your sling or looking at birds.
drop mag, rack slide back, eject cartridge...was a thread really needed for this? LOL
also, why would you need to look into the chamber? You should always been carrying one in the chamber and by racking the slide back, you eject said round from a now empty chamber.
also, why would you need to look into the chamber? You should always been carrying one in the chamber and by racking the slide back, you eject said round from a now empty chamber.
allen-1
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look into the chamber to be certain that the round ejected. if you saw it eject, then the chamber is empty, if you didn't, it may not have.
I was ROing the other day. If finished, unload and show clear - he dropped the mag, racked the slide - and showed me the chamber with the round still in it...
glockforlife
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Always have the firearm pointed downrange or in a safe direction, drop the mag, rack the slide back with slide stop, visually inspect the chamber (show clear), return the slide to battery, pull trigger (hammer down). Good habits reinforced by a lot of IDPA matches!
dcmdon
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As far as it pertains to storing a Glock or smilar with the striker set, this is 100% completely incorrect.
1) when I went to Glock armorer training, they stressed that this is a non-issue.
2) if you understand the physics of how stprings work you will understand that storing a spring at about half of its full compression and far far below the point of plastic deformation, it can last indefinitely. (think about your car's springs)
3) Even if you were correct, which you aren't, replace the $5 spring every 5 years.
Mesatchornug
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at the time of this writing, it is still @LoginName's avatar
AHM
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I linked to the actual avatar - not some Intarweb copy of it.Ah stolen material.
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Its just good habit to visually check. Because if you don't. That's when things go wrong.
A few years ago, a guy was explaing a ND that happened at his friends house. Glock, and order of unloading was: racked slide (visually saw round extracted from chamber) then dropped mag. The friend then went to remove the slide, so trigger pull, then bang. Because he removed the mag after racking the slide, a new round was chambered.
AHM
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Now that's a failure mode that's been happening
more than daily since pretty much...uh...1891.
Wait- if he racks the slide and locks the slide then drop the mag- the gun would not have gone bang( That is on him)- Yes I know Remove the source of ammo 1st rack and lock side- visual check in the chamber wiggling your finger in to make sure things are clear-
AHM
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@NickLeduc didn't say dude's friend locked the slide open.
He fully cycled it then pulled the trigger.
@NickLeduc didn't say dude's friend locked the slide open.
He fully cycled it then pulled the trigger.
Agreed, dumb on his part. Dropping the mag after the full cycle did nothing. A visual inspection would have prevented it.
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Huh... I pretty much only tell peeps to keep it loaded... 2 reasons one you never assume it will be unloaded and 2 shit doesn't hit the proverbial fan on your schedule... if you're near a gun and you have them for personal defense.... do you want your obituary to read he died next to his gun safe but couldn't open it...
Yep, and coincidentally I just read that the guy has stage 4 lung cancer... 'Saved by the Bell' star Dustin Diamond diagnosed with stage 4 cancer
No mention of his career as a porn star though.
I changed it one time for a few days and got some grief for it to change it back.
I've been stuck with it ever since.
I linked to the actual avatar - not some Intarweb copy of it.
Reminds me of an old trick where if someone hotlinked to a pic someone else posted, you would delete your pic and reupload it
with a different filename, then you'd find a pic that was 100% NSFW, rename it to the same filename as your original pic, and
the hotlinkers post would display something that would make 'Tub Girl' look like wholesome family fair, but your post would
still have the original pic.
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AHM
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Can't stop teh cute.
Indirection, FTW.
"You are sad," the Knight said in an anxious tone: "let me sing you a song to comfort you."
"Is it very long?" Alice asked, for she had heard a good deal of poetry that day.
"It's long," said the Knight, "but very, VERY beautiful. Everybody that hears me sing it--either it brings the TEARS into their eyes, or else--"
"Or else what?" said Alice, for the Knight had made a sudden pause.
"Or else it doesn't, you know. The name of the song is called `HADDOCKS' EYES.'"
"Oh, that's the name of the song, is it?" Alice said, trying to feel interested.
"No, you don't understand," the Knight said, looking a little vexed. "That's what the name is CALLED. The name really IS `THE AGED AGED MAN.'"
"Then I ought to have said `That's what the SONG is called'?" Alice corrected herself.
"No, you oughtn't: that's quite another thing! The SONG is called `WAYS AND MEANS': but that's only what it's CALLED, you know!"
"Well, what IS the song, then?" said Alice, who was by this time completely bewildered.
"I was coming to that," the Knight said. "The song really IS `A-SITTING ON A GATE': and the tune's my own invention."
MisterHappy
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Not all guns have a lock-back lever.
Walther PPK/s, with no mag, won't lock back. To lock back the slide, I'd have to insert an empty mag, then drop the mag.
Drop the mag, rack to eject, check that it's clear, release slide, use hammer-drop safety to drop hammer. Done.
It's not a one-size-fits-all world.
