Selling self built firearm

[Phlach]

Asking for a friend who lives in MA. He has an LTC-A. He bought an AR 80% lower many years ago (before there were any issues getting them in MA) and built an "MA Compliant" AR-15 for himself. He's now considering selling most of his collection (including the home built AR), probably to a gun store for ease of unloading the collection all at once. He searched the forums but is unclear if the AR is even "sellable" and if it is, does he need to get a S/N on it somehow? Is that something an FFL/Gun store would assist him with? Any advice appreciated.

 

[gruby254]

delete post?

 

[namedpipes]

There is no fed or MA requirement to serialize a firearm manufactured by you for you. So no it doesn't have to get a serial number engraved.

Since he has an LTC-A he can sell it himself or work through an FFL.

 

[CrackPot]

There is no fed or MA requirement to serialize a firearm manufactured by you for you. So no it doesn't have to get a serial number engraved.

Since he has an LTC-A he can sell it himself or work through an FFL.

True, but not a complete answer.

If ANY FFL takes a PMF (privately made firearm) onto their books, they must mark it with a serial number. The serial number will have the format of RDSKEY-unique. RDSKEY is the first 3 and last 5 of the FFL# and unique has to be unique to that FFL.

Also, the ATF "frowns" on the sale of PMFs. If you do it once, ok. If you do it more than once, you could be construed to be manufacturing firearms without a license. So as long as its one and he has not done it before, ok. Otherwise he is better off buying a new lower and rebuilding around the new serialized lower and just destroying the 80%.

 

[LuvDog]

Not to mention. what FFL is going to pay even mediocre money for an AR made from an 80%? I can't imagine that's even worth trying to sell to an FFL.

 

[Dirtrider357]

Not to mention. what FFL is going to pay even mediocre money for an AR made from an 80%? I can't imagine that's even worth trying to sell to an FFL.

I’d say it would probably depend on other factors (what other components were used to build it, how much use they’ve seen, etc).

 

[milktree]

Sell it here

 

[namedpipes]

True, but not a complete answer.

If ANY FFL takes a PMF (privately made firearm) onto their books, they must mark it with a serial number. The serial number will have the format of RDSKEY-unique. RDSKEY is the first 3 and last 5 of the FFL# and unique has to be unique to that FFL.

Also, the ATF "frowns" on the sale of PMFs. If you do it once, ok. If you do it more than once, you could be construed to be manufacturing firearms without a license. So as long as its one and he has not done it before, ok. Otherwise he is better off buying a new lower and rebuilding around the new serialized lower and just destroying the 80%.

This is a question, not a challenge.

I have a number of firearms that for one reason or another, don't have serials. Most were manufactured long before '68. Defacing those with a modern serial number would be sacrilege. Some are just old bird guns some ancestor or another used to find dinner. Others are not so different from a modern firearm but made before serials were required.

Would you cite the law/reg (and is it MA or Fed), requiring FFLs to serialize on intake? Does that law/reg differentiate pre '68 manufactured firearms from personally made ones (and how)?

I get and agree that showing a pattern of building and then "nanh I don't like this one - I'll sell it" is a great way to get matching bracelets with a chain. I've never seen a defined "quantity" so if ATF is in a snit, you'd be speaking with a judge to settle whether there were "too many".

 

[Marty McFly]

Whats the lower really even worth? Sell the upper?

 

[Grendizer138]

I vote not helping someone that’s apparently a member here but is going to sell to a shop for “ease” and overall pant-shitting.

Sell here if you’re reading this.

 

[Marty McFly]

I vote not helping someone that’s apparently a member here but is going to sell to a shop for “ease” and overall pant-shitting.

Sell here if you’re reading this.

I can't imagine a shop would be interested anyway

 

[Bigfudge16]

I'm in agreement that most shops would not be interested for reasons of profitability as well as legal hassle. If he's cutting bait I would recommend selling here first, selling for parts second.

 

[CrackPot]

This is a question, not a challenge.

I have a number of firearms that for one reason or another, don't have serials. Most were manufactured long before '68. Defacing those with a modern serial number would be sacrilege. Some are just old bird guns some ancestor or another used to find dinner. Others are not so different from a modern firearm but made before serials were required.

Would you cite the law/reg (and is it MA or Fed), requiring FFLs to serialize on intake? Does that law/reg differentiate pre '68 manufactured firearms from personally made ones (and how)?

I get and agree that showing a pattern of building and then "nanh I don't like this one - I'll sell it" is a great way to get matching bracelets with a chain. I've never seen a defined "quantity" so if ATF is in a snit, you'd be speaking with a judge to settle whether there were "too many".

The bolded part that you quoted is about PMFs, privately made firearms. ATF regulations governing ffl responsibilities require us to mark PMFs for traceability. Pre 68 manufactured rifles are not PMFs