Shooting at a Florida range

I can not believe how soft the average American is getting. My mom tells me stories of how they foraged for food in the woods, found coal along the rail tracks in the winter, fought off common diseases like the flu that killed you back then, and made do the best they could during the depression.

Nowaday, somebody loses their job and it is an immediate trip to la la land with a pocket full of shells.

Our enemies are not soft. They think a little rodent meat in the heat of the burning desert is sent from Allah.
 
This might sound crazy, but If I owned a range, I'd interview the people and ask them typical U.S. history/Bizarre questions like..

Who bombed Pearl Harbor?

Was 9/11 an inside job?

Who is Newt Gingrich?/Who was the best Speaker of the House ever? (could switch it up either way)

and most importantly...would you ever harm yourself or another with a firearm?

Dont lie to me, bitch! I can see it in your eyes!
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The more they publicize this crap the more deranged people are going to copy it.

Amen to that.

Do they really need to show us the footage? Obama's first 100 days are not so great. Serves him right. All he did during his campaign was trash the economy and singlehandedly destroy consumer confidence.
 
I bet that poor fella next to them is traumatized for life now...I believe he was having words with her right before she shot her son. That guy is a victim as well of that woman's craziness. I'm sure he felt the concussion blast from behind him from the first shot and didn't know what the hell was going on. I wish that man well.
 
This same thought crossed my mind. [thinking]

More publicity = more individuals who are 'on the edge' deciding to take that step over. Read some of Park Dietz's work. I know he's often dismissed as a media maven but it makes sense.
 
I'm in FL right now for work. Local news stations reporting prior mental illness of mother. Weird that background checks require disclosure of mental illness, but no pre-req to rent firearms.

She left a bunch of notes about "saving her son" by sending him to heavan. Co-co for coca puffs.
 
shooting at Florida range

I went through this first hand in 1998 @ Bob`s Tactical- had a suicde on my watch. 911 tape broght back vivid, extremely disturbing memories of my 911 call! Have to admit that despite decades of gun collecting, shooting, etc & being a strong 2A supporter, I had (albeit brief) doubts as to maybe we`re wrong! Took me 2 weeks to able to even go back in. For months afterward, I was very "squirrely" about renting to unescorted young men who seemed very calm. On a public range that rents guns, there`s no way to check back round of potential customers-we have them ID themselves & fill out waiver. From there it`s ajudgement call as to whether they`re OK. I can imagine what the poor bastards that work there are going through
 
Mom kills son, then self at shooting range

And the media assault continues...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30109090/

CASSELBERRY, Fla. - A central Florida woman who fatally shot her son then killed herself at a shooting range wrote in suicide notes to her boyfriend that she was trying to save her son.

"I'm so sorry," Marie Moore wrote several times. "I had to send my son to heaven and myself to Hell."

She signed two of the notes "Failed Queen."
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Authorities said Wednesday they still had no motive for the murder-suicide that shocked fellow customers and employees at the Shoot Straight range in Casselberry, about 10 miles north of Orlando, on Sunday.

"We have no clue. I don't even want to begin to speculate," said Deputy Chief Bill McNeil of the Casselberry Police Department.

Son shot in back of head
The gun range's security video shows 20-year-old Mitchell Moore taking aim at a target in a booth when his mother, 44, walks up behind him and points a gun at the back of his head. In the next frame, the son is seen falling to the ground and a nearby patron appears to alert others as he points to the unseen carnage.

The gun used was rented at the range.

According to a police report, earlier footage from the surveillance video shows the mother and son taking turns shooting and talking with other customers in the adjacent lane. "They seem to be getting along fine," one of the responding officers said.

The son died at the scene. Marie Moore was still alive when officers arrived at the range but later died at a hospital.

Woman reportedly had mental illness
Mitchell's father, Charles Moore, told police that Marie Moore had a history of mental illness and had previously attempted suicide and been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital in 2002 under the state's Baker Act.

Larry Anderson, a manager at Shoot Straight, said it's unclear whether the Moores had been to the range before, but they weren't regular customers. The range requires that customers fill out a form with a series of questions, including whether they have ever been convicted of a felony or been declared mentally unstable. But it has no way to verify the information.

Anderson defended the range's policies, saying: "If someone acts right, we have to assume they are right."

Based on the writings and audio recordings that he's seen in the media, Anderson said, it's clear that Marie Moore was "bent on doing it."

"Sometimes, like what happens Sunday, you have no control," Anderson said. "There's nothing you can do to prevent it."
 
Possibly a fringe opinion, but I have no sympathy for either decedent, and pretty much consider this his fault.

Anyone with a history of mental illness has no business holding a firearm. Anyone who knowingly places a firearm under the control of someone with a history of mental illness should be held liable for damages that result, in particular because that person has an established affirmative defense precluding any criminal penalties.

IMO, had he survived, he should have faced criminal negligence charges at minimum, and if FLA has such a statute, felony murder since the mother died.
 
Possibly a fringe opinion, but I have no sympathy for either decedent, and pretty much consider this his fault.

Yes, it's his fault that his mom decided to shoot him in the back of the head. [rolleyes]

This sort of logic is suspiciously like the logic gun banners use against us. EG, the same sort of "Blame the gun owner for a criminal's actions that stole his gun and then killed someone else with it. " Yeah, that's the ticket. [thinking]

-Mike
 
Possibly a fringe opinion, but I have no sympathy for either decedent, and pretty much consider this his fault.

Anyone with a history of mental illness has no business holding a firearm. Anyone who knowingly places a firearm under the control of someone with a history of mental illness should be held liable for damages that result, in particular because that person has an established affirmative defense precluding any criminal penalties.

IMO, had he survived, he should have faced criminal negligence charges at minimum, and if FLA has such a statute, felony murder since the mother died.

It must be nice to be omniscient.
 
I consider it his fault in a criminal sense because the mother, having an established history of mental defect, could not have been held criminally responsible for her actions. If the son knew about her history of mental illness, he should not have permitted her to hold a firearm. That he did makes him criminally liable for her actions.
 
If I had a mother who had been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital in the past few years, I probably wouldn't be omniscient, but a few things would stick in my head:
1) She may be my mother, but I won't leave her alone with my kids.
2) Any access to firearms would probably not be a good thing.
3) She probably shouldn't be allowed to drive a car or operate heavy machinery.
4) If her & I were filling out an application that specifically involved something dangerous and asked about mental health, I would make sure she filled it out accurately.

Even if she had no access to firearms, if she was already off the deep end, she could still bump both of them off with a glass of Kool Aid.
 
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One has to wonder why the son would go to a gun range with his mother, knowing her as he should have...
 
I consider it his fault in a criminal sense because the mother, having an established history of mental defect, could not have been held criminally responsible for her actions. If the son knew about her history of mental illness, he should not have permitted her to hold a firearm. That he did makes him criminally liable for her actions.

Was it reported that the son definitely knew of the mother's mental condition? I think this is just speculation.
 
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