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Should your doctor ask your child if you own a gun?

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Should your doctor ask your child if you own a gun?

Guidelines issued by the American Academy of Pediatric say "yes."

They warn that "Children are curious even if they’ve had some sort of firearm training. That’s why parents taking responsibility for safe gun storage is so essential.”

Doctors across the United States are being advised to interrogate children about mom and dad’s "bad" behavior.

It sounds simple enough, but the problem is that the advice ignores the benefits and exaggerates the costs of gun ownership.

Take a recent example from Massachusetts that was discussed in the Boston Herald:

"Debbie is a mom from Uxbridge who was in the examination room when the pediatrician asked her 5-year-old, 'Does Daddy own a gun?'

"When the little girl said yes, the doctor began grilling her and her mom about the number and type of guns, how they are stored, etc.

"If the incident had ended there, it would have merely been annoying.

"But when a friend in law enforcement let Debbie know that her doctor had filed a report with the police about her family’s (entirely legal) gun ownership, she got mad."

Perhaps it was only a matter of time. Accidental gun deaths involving children get national coverage. News programs stage experiments with 5 and 6-year-olds in a room filled with toys and a gun. Shocking pictures show the children picking up the gun and playing with it like a toy. For years, the Clinton administration would show public service ads with the voices or pictures of young children between the ages of 3 and 7 implying an epidemic of accidental gun deaths involving children.

With all this attention, the fear is understandable, but it is still irresponsible. Convincing patients not to own guns or to at least lock them up will cost more lives than it will save. It also gives a misleading impression of what poses the greatest dangers to children.

Accidental gun deaths among children are fortunately much rarer than most people believe. Consider the following numbers.

In 2003, for the United States, the Centers for Disease Control reports that 28 children under age 10 died from accidental shots. With some 90 million gun owners and about 40 million children under 10, it is hard to find any item as commonly owned in American homes, as potentially as lethal, that has as low of an accidental death rate.

These deaths also have little to do with "naturally curious" children shooting other children. From 1995 to 2001 only about nine of these accidental gun deaths each year involve a child under 10 shooting another child or themselves. Overwhelmingly, the shooters are adult males with long histories of alcoholism, arrests for violent crimes, automobile crashes, and suspended or revoked driver's licenses.

Even if gun locks can stop the few children who abuse a gun from doing so, gun locks cannot stop adults from firing their own gun. It makes a lot more sense for doctors to ask if "daddy" has a violent criminal record or a history of substance abuse, rather than ask if they own a gun.

Fear about guns also seems greatest among those who know the least about them.

For example, those unfamiliar with guns don’t realize that most young children simply couldn’t fire your typical semi-automatic pistol. Even the few who posses the strength to pull back the slide on the gun are unlikely to know that they must do that to put the bullet in the chamber or that they need to switch off the safety.

With so many greater dangers facing children everyday from common household items, it is not obvious why guns have been singled out. Here are some of the other ways that children under 10 died in 2004.

Over 1,400 children were killed by cars, almost 260 of those deaths were young pedestrians. Bicycle and space heater accidents take many times more children’s lives than guns. Over 90 drowned in bathtubs. The most recent yearly data available indicates that over 30 children under age 5 drowned in five-gallon plastic water buckets.

Yet, the real problem with this gun phobia is that without guns, victims are much more vulnerable to criminal attack. Guns are used defensively some 2 million times each year. Even though the police are extremely important in reducing crime, they simply can't be there all the time and virtually always arrive after the crime has been committed. Having a gun is by far the safest course of action when one is confronted by a criminal.

The cases where young children use guns to save their family’s lives rarely makes the news. Recent examples where children’s lives were clearly lost because guns were locked and inaccessible are ignored.

Recent research that I did examining juvenile accidental gun deaths for all U.S. states from 1977 to 1998, found that sixteen states mandating that guns be locked up had no impact. What did happen, however, was that criminals were emboldened to attack people in their homes and crimes were more successful; 300 more murders and 4,000 more rapes occurred each year in these states. Burglaries also rose dramatically. The evidence also indicates that states with the biggest increases in gun ownership have had the biggest drops in violent crime.

Asking patients about guns not only strains doctor patient relationships, it exaggerates the dangers and risks lives. Yet, in the end, possibly some good can come out of all this gun phobia. If your doctors ask you whether you own a gun, rather than sarcastically asking them if they own a space heater, why not offer to go out to a shooting range together and teach them about guns?

John Lott, Jr., is the author of Freedomnomics and a Senior Research Scholar at the University of Maryland.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301040,00.html
 
You are forgetting that the Mass politicians don't care what you think. They know what's best for you and will ignore your voice.


The sad part is the MA pols probably would AGREE with a pediatrician grilling
parents about their perfectly lawful gun ownership; the problem is
in parts of the medical establishment they want to treat it like a bad
habit like smoking or a disease, etc.... The worst part about this
shit is it's almost certainly political- as CDC death stats don't bear
death by firearm out to be a tremendous probability for most
people- so this fixation on gun ownership is some kind of liberal
socialist agenda being trojan horsed in under the guise of it somehow
being a "medical issue" [angry]

-Mike
 
It would be far more benficial to everyone if doctors asked children if they or their friends had swimming pools or trampolines or if they wore their seatbelts when riding in a vehicle.

My daughter inlaw is a pediatrician and to the best of my knowledge( I've asked about it) has never asked any child whether their parents owned guns. In Kentucky, its almost a foregone conclusion as just about everyone owns several guns and in fifteen years of practice, she's never had a gunshot patient. Plenty of ATV accidents, gymnastic and sports accidents, car accidents, pool accidents.....but no gun accidents.
Doctors should mind their business and stop being pawns for the would be social engineers who try to pull the wool over peoples eyes with their bogus agendas.
If a doctor asked my kids or grandkids about guns, it would be their last visit and I'd spread the word to everyone I knew who they treated.....maybe even picket their office a few days a week.
 
My daughter was asked with me in the room by her pediatricain " do you have guns in your house?". My daughther was about 7 years old at the time. She looked at me and then said "I think my dad has a BB gun at home". The doctor then looked at me and said "get rid of it Dad". I then asked her if this was medical advice or a political statement. She said that it was necessary medical advice and entered into a speach on how more children are killed by firearms etc. I told her that this was not the case and I did not believe these numbers.....

Anyway, can't remember the exact rest of the conversation but since I am a divorced father in MA I did not say too much in order not to escalate the sitauation.
 
My daughter was asked with me in the room by her pediatricain " do you have guns in your house?". My daughther was about 7 years old at the time. She looked at me and then said "I think my dad has a BB gun at home". The doctor then looked at me and said "get rid of it Dad". I then asked her if this was medical advice or a political statement. She said that it was necessary medical advice and entered into a speach on how more children are killed by firearms etc. I told her that this was not the case and I did not believe these numbers.....

Anyway, can't remember the exact rest of the conversation but since I am a divorced father in MA I did not say too much in order not to escalate the sitauation.

If the doctor was going down that dirt road that far,
I would have been searching for another doctor immediately
thereafter. Life is too short to be going to a doctor that
believes that much in junk science.

-Mike
 
I wear my gun club jacket to the girls appts. They don't ask me anything unless is pertains to the girls. I could care less if they know or not. They can file all the reports they want with the police as I'm sure they already know or at least can assume I have guns because they either issued or have been notified of my license.
 
If the doctor is really doing it out of a real concern for gun safety as opposed to a political point, then I have no problem with it (for example if they passed out an Eddie the Eagle gun safety guide). There are after all a lot of stupid people out there, and many are breeding gun owners. However, in MA at least, I imagine it's entirely about gun control and wanting to deamonize the average gun owner.
 
How's this one for size?

Be a responsible and assertive father. Step into the examination room with your child. If your doctor has a problem stop him cold and tell his he has two choices: 1) examine your child with you present or 2) lose a customer for life.

If he choses (2), walk and never return. Docs are a dime a dozen. If he choses (1) and launches into an interrogation dealing with anything not directly related to medicine tell him or her to STFU and stick to medicine or you and your child walk.

Do so in no uncertain terms. When YOU pay the piper, YOU call the tune.
 
My response would be:

"None of your damned business."

I live next town over from Uxbridge; already told my wife that if my kids pediatrician ask this question, she is to respond with the above, and immediately switch pediatricains.

Why don't they ask if we have knives at home? I don't ever recall my kids DR asking us after they were born if we keep the Draino locked up. Far more likely a kid will injest something poisonous or dangerous than come into contact with a firearm.

Jackasses, each and every one of 'em.
[devil2]
 
This latest paper "Firearm Ownership and Storage Patterns Among Families With Children Who Receive Well-Child Care in Pediatric Offices" (free at http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/119/6/e1271.pdf) is an intersting read, summarizing the pitch from the Am Acad Pediatrics on gun safety.

Despite repeated surveys and statistics gathered showing the large percentage of families that own guns for protection, they still rate safe storage as: 1. Gun in locked cabinet/safe, plus 2. Gunlock on gun, plus 3. Bullets [cartidges, they mean] stored separately. Hence, by definition, any gun owned for self-defense MUST be stored unsafely if it can be accessed and used for self-defense. Imagine your spouse saying: "Hon, I hear someone kicking in the front door. Quick, get the gun from the safe, take the lock off the gun, find the cartridges and load the gun."

The principle investigator on the study, in fact, goes farther, locking up the ammunition as well: "“What we know is that having a gun stored in an unsafe manner increases the risk of injury of death. We also know that injuries and death are reduced if the gun is stored locked, unloaded and with the ammunition stored separately and locked as well,” Barkin said."

They end with these conclusions: "If guns will not be removed from homes where children live and play, then the safe storage of those guns becomes a health priority for the well-being of children. Primary care providers need to understand better not only whether firearms are in the home but also which types are present. This should inform a tailored safe storage counseling approach for gun-owning families who are at increased risk for not using safe storage practices." (emphasis added)

Read: We want guns removed from your home if you have children - while this hasn't happened yet, it's our continued goal. Until then, to provide care for your children, it is essential that we must be told the number and types of guns in your home and where/how they are stored, so we can point out that ANY guns stored ANY way are a risk to your children.

Unless proven otherwise by your actual experience with a specific pediatrician, you should consider all pediatricians as no better than Sarah Brady in recognition of the 2nd amendment and the universal right to self-defense. Even then, anything you or another family member says to them regarding guns could be used against you.

I'm chasing down the authors with some questions - starting with their claim that 45 states were surveyed but listing only 40 states.
 
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Luckily our family doctor is an avid shooter and we chat guns all the time when I go in for my daughter or for myself. We have chatted about me being an instructor and about gun safety, hunting, handguns, concealed carry, etc. So I am not worried about these kinds of things with him.
 
I have a 3 year old boy, Although my/his doctor hasn't said anything, I was reading the paper on the wall while waiting in the room for 30 minutes. about child hazards and such. first couple lines when on about dogs and how they can be dangerous to youg children. 3rd line said " If you must own a gun Keep it locked up and stored at all times" I could understand "If you own a gun" but what was up with the "IF you Must" WTF.
Doctor never said anything to me but I am glad to read the post. So I can pass this info onto my wife.
hans
 
Correct answer:

"Kid, does your mommy and daddy own guns?"

"Yah, and they put me through Gunsite training courses and bought me an MP-5 to keep racked under my bed! And that doesn't count the Browning on the pintle mount next to the window."
 
Believe me guys, if it would have not been for my divorce and the fact that as an involved divorced father in MA you are pretty much already considered the lowest life form, I would have walked right out of the room with my daughter! If you think Mass gun laws are bad, I hope you will never find out about the Mass divorce mafia. Makes our guns laws seem like heaven.

Over the years I had to deal with a lot of shit. I found out that other parents had asked my ex wife "does he have guns in the house" and having my little girls friends not be allowed to have play dates at my house because of that.

It was a long long road but over time I believe that I have been able to raise my daughter with sensible values.

When our neighbors house was broken into while they were asleep upstairs she sure as hell was glad that dad's house is protected. By an alarm, a dog and last but not least a gun!

I would very much prefer her playing at homes where a responsible parent keeps a firearm.

Happy shooting!
 
If the doctor is really doing it out of a real concern for gun safety as opposed to a political point, then I have no problem with it (for example if they passed out an Eddie the Eagle gun safety guide). There are after all a lot of stupid people out there, and many are breeding gun owners. However, in MA at least, I imagine it's entirely about gun control and wanting to deamonize the average gun owner.

I've got a problem even with that. Consider that there were 28 children 10 and under killed in firearm accidents the most recent year for which data are available. If your doctor were to ask a simple yes/no question about every avoidable form of accident that kills 28 or more children per year with absolutely no follow-up, you'd be sitting there for a week to get through the interview. So why single out firearms? Simply to implant the idea that they're uniquely dangerous and should be avoided by everyone except the professionals.

Ken
 
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