Sig 716 DMR in 6.5 creed

[OneIfByLandTwoIfBySea]

Hi there NES, anybody on here own a sig 716 dmr in 6.5 creed? If so do you like it? As owner do you think it was Worth the Price? I want to take the precision rifle battery of courses at the sig academy in 2019 and am debating on picking one of these up to take along for the ride. Any insight would be much appreciated.

Thank you very much,

Q

 

[92G]

i do not understand the purpose of an autoloading rifle in a precision long range chambering. for cool factor OK but from from perspective of function i'm not following it.

and isn't the 716 a piston gun? again if looking for precision i would prefer not to have a piston system, preferably no gas system at all but if need be I would opt for DI with an adjustable gas block. sorry if this isn't a direct answer to your question. i doubt you'll find much info on the 716 here on NES, maybe a few folks own them...but in 6.5mm it's sort of a unicorn.

 

[OneIfByLandTwoIfBySea]

Thanks Squib.

716 is a piston gun. I may have used the wrong word when I said precision.
My intention is a semi auto rifle that I could use 300-1000yards taking a few of what sig calls precision rifle classes. I have very little experience shooting with magnification. Been shooting red dot and iron sights for approx five years. IWas hoping I could get away with a semi auto piston type of rifle (716 or something else of that nature scar or di ar in 308) at that distance. I saw that 716 came in 6.5 and heard from a few others that 6.5 was a little better after 800 yards vs the 308. Thanks again for the feedback.

 

[92G]

for longer range i prefer to put my weight in a barrel not a piston that bangs back and forth to stress the optic's durability. if dead-set on an autoloader in 6.5 CM i would go with an LR-308/SR-25 pattern rifle because it's going to give options on barrels and the recoil impulse will be smoother.

if you really want to hammer things at range build yourself a 6.5 CM from a Howa or Savage short action into a chassis something like a KRG or MDT. at longer ranges such a build will shit all over a Sig 716. BTW have you shot a LR-308? it's plenty of gun in .308. a well tuned LR-308 isn't the easiest to build but if can be make reliable they are a lot of fun. unfortunately with a solid optic they're usually heavy as hell. Sig's website lists the 716 as 9.5 lbs. add some glass and it's going to be a 12 lbs. further, keep in mind barrel life. the 6.5 is not going to have nearly the barrel life of a .308. and when going semi auto the difference in barrel life will likely be even more due to faster shooting = hotter barrels.

i dig autoloading rifles but after going through a phase where i wanted everything to be an autoloader i've slowly settled back on bolt actions as being easier and cheaper to accomplish high levels of precision. something like this Howa 1500 6.5 CM in a KRG chassis is going to be stupid accurate. it's 10.5 lbs but has a 26" barrel (10 more inches of barrel than a Sig 716) to allow that 6.5CM to really get rocking. there's no way Sig is going to put a 26" barrel on the 716. i've recently gotten into the howa rifles. i'm super impressed by the build quality and action. they make a R700 look like garbage.

https://www.brownells.com/firearms/...o-6-5-cm-26-fde-10-1-threaded-prod115731.aspx

 

[OneIfByLandTwoIfBySea]

You have given me a lot to consider. I’m going to go try a few out before i purchase. Thank you for the info and advice.

 

[gokeeffe]

I have a 716 G2 DMR in .308. Mine at least was a 1.5 MOA rifle out of the box with match ammo, optics and a bipod. The break is great on it btw. Some people reported issues with them not feeding properly but mine has been perfect and isn’t picky about ammo.

If I was buying it again I wouldn’t have gotten it in FDE. The grip and stock just don’t match the color of the rifle the way I want it to. I also would have gotten the patrol version. Trying to get the piston back in after cleaning it is a pain when you have fat fingers like me.

I also don’t like that it isn’t fully compatible with other AR-10s. The 20 MOA top rail is part of the hand guard and Sig says it’s not something you should try to change out yourself. I wanted to trade out the keymod handguard but had to abandon that plan.

I didn’t buy it for any particular purpose. I just liked the look of it, so I bought one. You could easy build an AR-10 that’s just as accurate for a lot less money, but meh, it’s only money.

 

[H-minus]

I have a 716 g2 patrol in 7.62 NATO. Had it for about 9 months now. Very accurate will bang 400 yard steel all day long with just a Leupold 1-4x VXR Patrol sitting on the rail. Not a single malfunction with over 800 rounds through it. It eats everything from PPU ball ammo to 308 hunting loads without a hiccup. As for 800 - 1000 yard shooting, I cant speak to that as I dont shoot that far but I think 800 yards+ would be a stretch with a semi auto .308 with a 16 inch barrel. 6.5 Creedmore? Who knows.

Cons: Shes a heavy bitch at 9.5 lbs which is a bit heavy for a patrol rifle. The stock trigger pull is heavier than the rifle itself which Im assuming was intentional since this model was designed to be a patrol battle rifle instead of a DMR. I have a Larue 2 stage trigger that I'm going to install soon to fix this. Despite the heavy trigger I can still get 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards. Another con is that both models are only available with 16 inch barrels. The Gen 1 offered an 18 inch barrel but that is no more.

The DMR version addresses some of these issues though. SIG managed to shave a pound off the DMRs overall weight (8.5 lbs) and it comes with a factory installed Geissele 2 stage trigger. I think its worth the extra $ just for the 1 lb lighter rifle IMHO.

They are very accurate, reliable rifles but they are expensive and if the weight is an issue I would probably look into a SCAR 17 but that may cost you even more money and Im not sure how accuracy compares with the 716.

Another semi auto choice may be a Springfield M1A Loaded Precision. Ive heard good things about them. There's a youtube video out there of Rob Leatham shooting 800+ yard targets with one. But then again Rob Leatham could probably hit a sparrow in flight at 100 yards with a Red Ryder bb gun.

 

[OneIfByLandTwoIfBySea]

Thank you h-minus

 

[ChevyGuy91]

for longer range i prefer to put my weight in a barrel not a piston that bangs back and forth to stress the optic's durability. if dead-set on an autoloader in 6.5 CM i would go with an LR-308/SR-25 pattern rifle because it's going to give options on barrels and the recoil impulse will be smoother.

if you really want to hammer things at range build yourself a 6.5 CM from a Howa or Savage short action into a chassis something like a KRG or MDT. at longer ranges such a build will shit all over a Sig 716. BTW have you shot a LR-308? it's plenty of gun in .308. a well tuned LR-308 isn't the easiest to build but if can be make reliable they are a lot of fun. unfortunately with a solid optic they're usually heavy as hell. Sig's website lists the 716 as 9.5 lbs. add some glass and it's going to be a 12 lbs. further, keep in mind barrel life. the 6.5 is not going to have nearly the barrel life of a .308. and when going semi auto the difference in barrel life will likely be even more due to faster shooting = hotter barrels.

i dig autoloading rifles but after going through a phase where i wanted everything to be an autoloader i've slowly settled back on bolt actions as being easier and cheaper to accomplish high levels of precision. something like this Howa 1500 6.5 CM in a KRG chassis is going to be stupid accurate. it's 10.5 lbs but has a 26" barrel (10 more inches of barrel than a Sig 716) to allow that 6.5CM to really get rocking. there's no way Sig is going to put a 26" barrel on the 716. i've recently gotten into the howa rifles. i'm super impressed by the build quality and action. they make a R700 look like garbage.

https://www.brownells.com/firearms/...o-6-5-cm-26-fde-10-1-threaded-prod115731.aspx

Brownells is doing God's work with those Howa barreled actions. I have one of their 308's that I am in the middle of tinkering with, and am considering one of the longer heavier 6.5's for a real precision rig.

 

[92G]

Brownells is doing God's work with those Howa barreled actions. I have one of their 308's that I am in the middle of tinkering with, and am considering one of the longer heavier 6.5's for a real precision rig.

i went with a Howa 1500 .308 that has threaded 20" barrel and a hogue stock. it was like $475 or something crazy good value. but as you mention next time around i'm going to just buy the barreled action and stock or chassis separately. i just got done shooting groups with the Howa 1500 and damn thing shoots pretty much every 168 or 175gr projectile at or under an 1 MOA. as usual the 168gr A-max projectiles are overlapping at 100 yards. i'm yet to find a 308 rifle that doesn't love the 168gr A-max. i sound like a Howa salesman or something...but they offer savage-type pricing with far higher quality.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

i went with a Howa 1500 .308 that has threaded 20" barrel and a hogue stock. it was like $475 or something crazy good value. but as you mention next time around i'm going to just buy the barreled action and stock or chassis separately. i just got done shooting groups with the Howa 1500 and damn thing shoots pretty much every 168 or 175gr projectile at or under an 1 MOA. as usual the 168gr A-max projectiles are overlapping at 100 yards. i'm yet to find a 308 rifle that doesn't love the 168gr A-max. i sound like a Howa salesman or something...but they offer savage-type pricing with far higher quality.

To save the thread drift, I will continue in our PM conversation.

One of these days, we should start a Howa 1500 thread.