i am familiar with shotguns and handguns...however, i would like to get into some longe-range shooting and want to get myself a mean looking rifle!! so thinking along the lines of the AR15 style, i heard that remsport mfg has some nice customs for around $1000. i heard good things about the S&W M&P's but also hear that they have very little recoil and are not fun to shoot compared to a real-deal AR15. obviously there are mixed opinions on everything...but wondering what types of other rifles may be out there i can own in MA and if you guys recommend the M&P's, bushmasters, etc. i am new to the rifle scene so i have no idea what is considered compliant on these types of guns. also, i would like to be in the $750-$1000 range.
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Some Suggestions Please?? AR15 type rifles...
- Thread starter Ryan9896
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You can build a nice AR15 for that price range. Out of the box the AR15 does not have a lot of recoil anyways. There will be little to no difference in the recoil between a Bushmaster or M&P. Some differences that could affect it are barrel length and what type of buffer you have. I'd recommend taking a look at some of the Spikes Tactical stuff. You can order an upper w/ muzzle brake making it MA compliant for cheap.
When you say long range shooting, how far are we talking here? Based on that the members here can make proper recommendations.
When you say long range shooting, how far are we talking here? Based on that the members here can make proper recommendations.
flintoid
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If you think that a "real deal" AR-15 has a ton of recoil , or more than that of a S&W M&P AR, then you are either shooting a Remsport with a over-gassed system due to a out of spec gas return port in the barrel or you are shooting heavier grain rounds through your rifle.
So if you want recoil, get a AR with 1/7 twist barrel and shoot 62gr or 77gr rounds through a uncompensated (no muzzle brake) barrel.
S&W M&P's are "real" ARs. If you want to do better, there is a sticky in this section of the forum with suggestions.
So if you want recoil, get a AR with 1/7 twist barrel and shoot 62gr or 77gr rounds through a uncompensated (no muzzle brake) barrel.
S&W M&P's are "real" ARs. If you want to do better, there is a sticky in this section of the forum with suggestions.
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That's what I was thinking as well. A .22LR AR-platform rifle would have very little recoil. The standard S&W M&P AR-15 would have, well, a standard amount of recoil for one of these guns.
Check out AR15.com for info, there is a lot of it there. You can build a gun from the ground up, buy a complete lower and a complete upper and mate them, or just buy a fully complete rifle and go shoot. There are tons of options out there in terms of barrel length, stock styles, handguards, optics, etc. I would recommend a basic platform (A2 carry handle or flat-top) to shoot with, and learn what you like and dislike about it as pretty much anything can be changed. $1000 is a decent budget to look for a good gun. Check out Spike's Tactical, Bravo Company USA, Palmetto State Armory.
yes, i read on this website some people claiming that the M&P 15-22 is a "toy gun" but the cheap price of ammo is the selling point. as i mentioned, i am new to the rifle scene so i have no idea how much recoil an AR would have....i've only shot handguns and shotguns so i am in the dark on this topic...hence the thread looking for info. as far as distance....i'm thinking like 200-300yds max. there are no clubs around with a range longer than that, and obviously i will need some practice to hit something even 100yds away. i want something that will turn some heads at the range cosmetically and get the job done in the field as well.
and i have been considering the remsport customs because some are in my price range and they seem to have some modifications done to them.
"If you think that a "real deal" AR-15 has a ton of recoil , or more than that of a S&W M&P AR, then you are either shooting a Remsport with a over-gassed system due to a out of spec gas return port in the barrel or you are shooting heavier grain rounds through your rifle."
is this a negative review of the remsport customs??
and i have been considering the remsport customs because some are in my price range and they seem to have some modifications done to them.
"If you think that a "real deal" AR-15 has a ton of recoil , or more than that of a S&W M&P AR, then you are either shooting a Remsport with a over-gassed system due to a out of spec gas return port in the barrel or you are shooting heavier grain rounds through your rifle."
is this a negative review of the remsport customs??
I've never fired an AR in 5.56/.223 that had even moderate recoil. I guess its relative.
Fixxah
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Why not try before you buy? ARs might not be your cup-o-tea and it will save you from starting a "No Returns On My AR That I Only Fired 300 Rounds Through, What The Eff?" thread.
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I would have to say if you find AR's have to much recoil a larger caliber is probably not where you want to go. I have built several nice shooting AR's with parts purchased mostly here for well under $800
flintoid
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take it for what you will. It could be negative in the fact that this is a documented fact that their gas return ports have been found to be too large, or it could be positive in the fact that they stand behind their product and off to "fix" the issue. How they go about doing this, though, would be interesting to see.
do a search. Read on people's experience on their product. Some people swear by them up and down, and others have come on here with problematic rifles that display poor craftsmanship.
Of course it is. Compare it to your custom loads in your S&W 500's and it's nothing. But the OP already answered for the confusion- a .223 certainly has a little more recoil than a .22lr
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sorry, but i never said AR's have too much recoil....u may want to re-read the thread. i was saying some people claim that the S&W M&P 15-22 have no recoil and that it takes the fun out of shooting them. i personally enjoy recoil!!! i carry a Para Warthog .45, i am no stranger to recoil. i also said that i never shot an AR before and admit that i am not familiar with them, but would like to be!!!
i am starting to see that the S&W may be the way to go with the cheaper .22LR rounds.
i am starting to see that the S&W may be the way to go with the cheaper .22LR rounds.
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The only reason I would think about the m&p 15-22 would be ammunition cost of .22lr. If you want to shoot .223 or 5.56 but not want to drop a ton on the rifle the m&p 15 sport looks like a great inexpensive option. If you want a little bit better rifle they have the m&p 15. There are plenty of other manufactures as mentioned above. I may be wrong but it seems that you may be confused with s&w's models. The 15-22 is an ar15 replica that shoots .22lr.
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Whatever. AR15s simply don't have much recoil. Even the "real deal" ![[rolleyes]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/042.gif "Roll Eyes [rolleyes]")
ones in 5.56. I can fire one with the buttplate on my forehead, and I'm a recoil wimp. How much less recoil can you have than none?
If you want a 5.56 AR, S&W makes some decent ones. So do other companies.
ones in 5.56. I can fire one with the buttplate on my forehead, and I'm a recoil wimp. How much less recoil can you have than none?1911s don't have much recoil. Not even the little ones. Try a .357 Mag airweight - that is recoil.
If you want a 5.56 AR, S&W makes some decent ones. So do other companies.
I was in the same boat (wanting to get an AR-15) and after reading up for a long time I just decided to go get a cheap S&W Sport so I could figure out what I would want to change if I built my own from scratch. I went down to Four Seasons last Friday with that intention but as soon as I saw the Stag #3 flat top AR-15 I decide that was the one I wanted to learn with. $800 later (not counting the case of Federal 62gr M855, 3 preban 20 rounders and a cleaning kit) I have just ordered Magpul Front and rear Gen2 Buis and a Barska M16 Electrosight (illuminated reticle).
I haven't been to the range with it yet but I have next week off................
I haven't been to the range with it yet but I have next week off................
This is a good thread. I believe there is a link in that thread to an excel spreadsheet from the M4 forum that has some good info as well.
Try before you buy is good advise. Ask around as most folks will let you try what they have.
If you Like recoil and want an AR that has it, come try mine chambered in 450 Busmaster or ask if someone has an AR in 50 BMG.
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Believe it or not I think it was the diamondhead versarail handguard and muzzle break combo. From a sheer "looks" point of view it was the type of AR-15 I was looking for. Anything with "sport" in it's name seems too much like a toy to me.
To be completely honest I was sick of procrastinating, had a hard time deciding and had a boatload of cash ready to plop down...
I fully expect to build my 2nd one from scratch after I have become more knowledgeable with the platform.
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i will be visiting remsport in the next couple of weeks, i learned they have a "try before you buy" option which is great, and they are very willing to work with me, to educate me, and get me into a nice AR within my price range that will have some goodies as well. thanks for all the input guys!!!
