stacarter
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I posted this on FB to my friends. I keep a pretty tight grip on my FB friends but I still have a few liberal folks in there. Something to throw at an anti if they are spewing the "30,000 people a year, 88 a day!) bullshit.
So this is my appeal to everyone to question any piece of data that is put in front of you by the media that gets your attention. If it gets your attention, it is likely highly doctored and not accurate vs the "fact" they are trying to establish. This goes to both sides of any argument. Politicians and the media do not care about the American people, they care about dollars and their billionaire benefactors.
Gun control advocates are constantly throwing two bits of information at us.
1) There are 30,000 gun deaths a year
2) Australia is a model for gun control
Let's look at those two "facts". Any quick search of CDC and/or FBI data will tell you that 2/3's of those 30,000 gun deaths a year are suicides. Let's be clear, someone else's suicide poses no danger to you or our children right? But when that point is argued, it is countered with "but if we didn't have guns, there would be 20,000 fewer suicides a year because they didn't have a gun do do it with".
Ok. This is where Australia as a model comes in. Australia had similar gun laws in 1996 as we do now. Then a mass murder sparked them to ban and confiscate almost all civilian firearms. (if you call it a buy back you are an idiot, if my choice is selling my firearm to the government for a fraction of what it cost or going to jail, that isn't a buy back, that is a confiscation). So, now in 1997, we have theoretically no firearms in civilian hands. So since Australia also had suicides before and after their ban, you'd expect that their suicide rate would have dropped right?
Here is suicide data for Australia from 1921 through 2009.
You'd expect a precipitous drop in the suicide rate after a gun ban right? Nope. It went up for 4 years had a drop and has climbed back up to almost 1996 levels in the last 5 years since 2009 even.
The point is that a) anti-gun rhetoric uses suicide data to make its case and b) that the best example of "good gun laws" had no impact on suicide rates, in fact they saw an increase in suicides for a time AFTER their gun ban.
You can find all of this data on the interwebs. Go to any of the ridiculous billionaire funded anti-gun groups for the really bad data about gun deaths that is filled with bad data and really just a summary of body count for any reason that will fit their narrative. Google about the Australian gun ban and confiscation and historical Australian suicide rates.
So this is my appeal to everyone to question any piece of data that is put in front of you by the media that gets your attention. If it gets your attention, it is likely highly doctored and not accurate vs the "fact" they are trying to establish. This goes to both sides of any argument. Politicians and the media do not care about the American people, they care about dollars and their billionaire benefactors.
Gun control advocates are constantly throwing two bits of information at us.
1) There are 30,000 gun deaths a year
2) Australia is a model for gun control
Let's look at those two "facts". Any quick search of CDC and/or FBI data will tell you that 2/3's of those 30,000 gun deaths a year are suicides. Let's be clear, someone else's suicide poses no danger to you or our children right? But when that point is argued, it is countered with "but if we didn't have guns, there would be 20,000 fewer suicides a year because they didn't have a gun do do it with".
Ok. This is where Australia as a model comes in. Australia had similar gun laws in 1996 as we do now. Then a mass murder sparked them to ban and confiscate almost all civilian firearms. (if you call it a buy back you are an idiot, if my choice is selling my firearm to the government for a fraction of what it cost or going to jail, that isn't a buy back, that is a confiscation). So, now in 1997, we have theoretically no firearms in civilian hands. So since Australia also had suicides before and after their ban, you'd expect that their suicide rate would have dropped right?
Here is suicide data for Australia from 1921 through 2009.
You'd expect a precipitous drop in the suicide rate after a gun ban right? Nope. It went up for 4 years had a drop and has climbed back up to almost 1996 levels in the last 5 years since 2009 even.
The point is that a) anti-gun rhetoric uses suicide data to make its case and b) that the best example of "good gun laws" had no impact on suicide rates, in fact they saw an increase in suicides for a time AFTER their gun ban.
You can find all of this data on the interwebs. Go to any of the ridiculous billionaire funded anti-gun groups for the really bad data about gun deaths that is filled with bad data and really just a summary of body count for any reason that will fit their narrative. Google about the Australian gun ban and confiscation and historical Australian suicide rates.
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