Springfield MA. LTC

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For those of you
that are Springfield area firearms instructors I have a question. When did Springfield start asking for live fire training and stopped accept a State Certificates from someone that did the NRA Home Firearm Safety to get there State Certificate?
The State still accepts the NRA Home Firearms Safety program for the State Certificate is Springfild making up rules to make it harder? I thought Bruen stopped all that crap.
 
Before this new law passed, I only taught Home Firearm Safety and included live fire (noted on the certificate). Students shot .22LR pistol and rifle, 9mm pistol, AR-15 (.223), and AK-47 (7.62x39).

My rationale was that Basic Pistol students never touch any long guns and most students would go out and buy a long gun (usually AR-15) with no knowledge of the manual of arms. So I liked to give my students a well-rounded training class.

Currently, I will not provide any training until I see what the MSP generates as "acceptable curriculum" and then I'll decide to truly retire or continue teaching.
 
For those of you
that are Springfield area firearms instructors I have a question. When did Springfield start asking for live fire training and stopped accept a State Certificates from someone that did the NRA Home Firearm Safety to get there State Certificate?
The State still accepts the NRA Home Firearms Safety program for the State Certificate is Springfild making up rules to make it harder? I thought Bruen stopped all that crap.

On 8/1/24 under the new law Maura signed on 7/25/24. The curriculum for the required new training course has yet to be developed and the state is hoping to have it ready by 10/23 when the law goes into effect.

You can try to contact Comm2A or GOAL to see if they can help or are assembling a case.
 
For those of you
that are Springfield area firearms instructors I have a question. When did Springfield start asking for live fire training and stopped accept a State Certificates from someone that did the NRA Home Firearm Safety to get there State Certificate?
The State still accepts the NRA Home Firearms Safety program for the State Certificate is Springfild making up rules to make it harder? I thought Bruen stopped all that crap.
Did they mean you need to show proficiency at shooting at live targets because if you are gonna live in Springfield MA you are living in one of the most violent cities in America.........
 
Before this new law passed, I only taught Home Firearm Safety and included live fire (noted on the certificate). Students shot .22LR pistol and rifle, 9mm pistol, AR-15 (.223), and AK-47 (7.62x39).

My rationale was that Basic Pistol students never touch any long guns and most students would go out and buy a long gun (usually AR-15) with no knowledge of the manual of arms. So I liked to give my students a well-rounded training class.

Currently, I will not provide any training until I see what the MSP generates as "acceptable curriculum" and then I'll decide to truly retire or continue teaching.
Thanks Len. I do basic pistol only as a one on one, however I do Home Fire Arms Safety to get a Certificate quickly into the hands of people that would like to apply for an LTC. I have not done many Springfield students lately. I have been trying to make available training to those wanting to apply before 10/23 so I have made available small classes for Home Firearms Safety. Recently I have two students enrolled into my Sunday 9/8 class and as I always do I go on line to get the city/town instructions to apply and down load an application for each student. When I checked on the Springfield site I found in the instructions that a class with live fire was required. This was a big surprise and now I will have to contact these students and cancel them out of the class or reschedule them for a one on one Basic Pistol class for a lot more money and there time. They won't be happy I am sure.
This really sucks.
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Currently, I will not provide any training until I see what the MSP generates as "acceptable curriculum" and then I'll decide to truly retire or continue teaching.
I hope like hell that you decide to continue. Losing a trainer of your credentials will be a great loss and a pity because it seems it would be a another bad result of this bill.

But if you do retire you certainly deserve it . I did and highly recommend it.
 
I hope like hell that you decide to continue. Losing a trainer of your credentials will be a great loss and a pity because it seems it would be a another bad result of this bill.

But if you do retire you certainly deserve it . I did and highly recommend it.
Thank you. Since moving to NH, even though I am ~6 miles from the state line, there doesn't seem to be much interest in obtaining MA LTCs. I much prefer teaching the NRA Personal Protection in/outside the Home classes, but the NRA rules prohibit me from teaching the law portion in NH, so it might just be time to hang it up and enjoy retirement.
 
Thank you. Since moving to NH, even though I am ~6 miles from the state line, there doesn't seem to be much interest in obtaining MA LTCs. I much prefer teaching the NRA Personal Protection in/outside the Home classes, but the NRA rules prohibit me from teaching the law portion in NH, so it might just be time to hang it up and enjoy retirement.

I will echo what @Coda said and I can tell you that I really enjoyed your class and learned a lot from it. You are a natural educator and will be missed but there comes a time to enjoy retirement as life is too short.

Bob
 
I will echo what @Coda said and I can tell you that I really enjoyed your class and learned a lot from it. You are a natural educator and will be missed but there comes a time to enjoy retirement as life is too short.

Bob
Thanks Bob, I really enjoy teaching. If the demand was there, I'd want to continue. To teach the NRA Personal Protection classes in NH would require me to be an active NH police officer (retirees lose their certification upon retirement) or court officer and attend the NH police academy (I think it is 2000 hrs). I'm too old to deal with that stuff and with a bad back (3-disc fusion in March), I couldn't pass the PT requirements anyway.
 
One thing that is very interesting to me is that when I taught the LTC class at Smith & Wesson we taught the state approved S&W LTC program. The S&W program included almost every thing the state wants in the new training program.

Len I am also getting old and that is why I only do basic pistol on a one on one basis. I am getting to old to run 40 people through 10 rounds of 22 from a revolver and 10 rounds of 22 through a semiauto pistol. 10 lanes 40 shooters that in most casses never had a gun in there hand. Teach proper fundamentals and get them all on target like I did at S&W.
 
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One thing that is very interesting to me is that when I taught the LTC class at Smith & Wesson we taught the state approved S&W LTC program. The S&W program included almost every thing the state wants in the new training program.

Len I am also getting old and that is why I only do basic pistol on a one on one basis. I am getting to old to run 40 people through 10 rounds of 22 from a revolver and 10 rounds of 22 through a semiauto pistol. 10 lanes 40 shooters that in most casses never had a gun in there hand. Teach proper fundamentals and get them all on target like I did at S&W.
that was the LTC-005 class correct? it was a great setup over at the S&W facility before they closed to the public, I do miss it.
 
Yes and the classes were split between Ken Frisbee and me, except Ken did all the two day week day programs because I was doing the First Shots program during the week or doing privet lessons for S&W
 
Yes and the classes were split between Ken Frisbee and me, except Ken did all the two day week day programs because I was doing the First Shots program during the week or doing privet lessons for S&W


John, we used to work together at S&W for many years and it is great to see you still active in firearms training in that oppressive state. What a great crew and times we had back in the day at the SSC!

I don’t know how you instructors and all the gun shops are going to continue on after these new laws and give a lot of props to you all for continuing what you do.

After a six year stretch as a State Trooper down here in Florida, I now work for a Sheriffs Office in a Republican / 2A County. Proud to say my agency is the exact opposite of some of the anti 2A agencies in MA.

-Jeff
 
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that was the LTC-005 class correct? it was a great setup over at the S&W facility before they closed to the public, I do miss it.

It was a great facility with great people when I worked there. I also worked at the factory at the same time. I miss my times there with Ken and Bill (RIP). The LTC classes were a pleasure for the most part to help teach.

I understand they were under pressure due to the negative media attention but I feel as if S&W did a disservice to the public by closing the SSC.
 
On 8/1/24 under the new law Maura signed on 7/25/24. The curriculum for the required new training course has yet to be developed and the state is hoping to have it ready by 10/23 when the law goes into effect.

You can try to contact Comm2A or GOAL to see if they can help or are assembling a case.
Yes BUT, the new law has not taken effect and does not take effect until 10/23. None of the provisions under the new law have any meaning yet. Comm2A and GOAL both sued the MSP when they tried to say training was no longer valid. This is clearly not true. The CURRENT law is still in effect and the current training requirements under the new law are still in effect.

GOAL or Comm2A should be able to help pretty quickly. Essentially a slight rewording of either lawsuit should get quick results.

Springfield is jumping the gun.
 
Yes BUT, the new law has not taken effect and does not take effect until 10/23. None of the provisions under the new law have any meaning yet. Comm2A and GOAL both sued the MSP when they tried to say training was no longer valid. This is clearly not true. The CURRENT law is still in effect and the current training requirements under the new law are still in effect.

GOAL or Comm2A should be able to help pretty quickly. Essentially a slight rewording of either lawsuit should get quick results.

Springfield is jumping the gun.

Agreed. Springfield is just being obstructionist as per usual that’s why I linked the other thread. I was hoping that the communication from the MSP might help resolve the issue
 
although it is not specific to this threads question, since people will see this in the thread just from the title, thought I'd drop this info here regarding a recent renewal timeline in Springfield, MA.

A text conversation with a friend about their recent Springfield renewal from just yesterday, 9/2:

him: Just wanted to tell you that I finally got my ltc renewal yesterday in the mail. Kinda weird because I thought that I would have to go pick it up? Guess things have changed.
me: Curious how long did it take from application until you received your new LTC? Also I am not surprised they mailed it on a renewal since the pandemic. keeps foot traffic at the office down etc.
him: Yeah, it took about a month.


It appears they are meeting the statutory requirement of getting renewal licenses out within 40 days, cannot speak to new applicants at this time. YMMV
 
although it is not specific to this threads question, since people will see this in the thread just from the title, thought I'd drop this info here regarding a recent renewal timeline in Springfield, MA.

A text conversation with a friend about their recent Springfield renewal from just yesterday, 9/2:

him: Just wanted to tell you that I finally got my ltc renewal yesterday in the mail. Kinda weird because I thought that I would have to go pick it up? Guess things have changed.
me: Curious how long did it take from application until you received your new LTC? Also I am not surprised they mailed it on a renewal since the pandemic. keeps foot traffic at the office down etc.
him: Yeah, it took about a month.


It appears they are meeting the statutory requirement of getting renewal licenses out within 40 days, cannot speak to new applicants at this time. YMMV
A friend of mine, a new applicant, was just given an LTC interview appt well over 2 months from now... Supposedly, the soonest available ....
 
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