Supreme Court - NYSRPA v. Bruen - Megathread

[Dadstoys]

Who would you rather have as governor? Baker? Or Maura Healey?

The chance of a conservative getting elected governor in MA is zero. It simply won't happen. So your choice is a moderate like Baker or a liberal like Healey. ETA: or a whacko progressive like Sonia Chang-Diaz (who thankfully dropped out of the race). Hello governor Maura!

Either Charlie or Maura would sign any anti gun bill that hit their desk.
Change my mind.

 

[Picton]

It will be like trying to take the cat to the vet.
There will be crying , struggling , scratching and clawing, but they are going in the end.

New York's over the top d-baggery blew it up for gun grabbers in other states , pushing the matter may end up blowing it up more if it ends up in front of the supremes again.
You have to wonder if there might have been phone calls to certain people telling them to sit down and shut up with the "We'll defy the supreme court" rhetoric.

Yeah, I assume that at times like this, these governors and state leaders all call each other and try to figure out what to say. It's obvious that Maura wasn't sitting in on that call.

 

[safetyfirst2125]

So if you combine this ruling with the new red flag law, I guess the net is: easier to get, but easier to take away.

 

[SteelShooter]

Ok so dumb this down for me. In the past these idiots would try legally risky/dumb things because there was no real consequence for them in doing so. Hasn't this decision kind of changed that whereas now it is pretty clear such F***ery would get them slapped into the next zip code.

Who is going to prosecute any state that doesn't comply? Merrick?

 

[Roadglide]

Who is going to prosecute any state that doesn't comply? Merrick?

So you're saying there is no way. We are still where we were before this decision

 

[steve8140]

Maura is just buying time. She knows her time is limited as AG before she takes the Governors office and it won’t really be her problem when that happens.

By the time any lawsuits take place she will be gone from AG, one of the justices will be retired and replaced by FJB replacement pick which puts the court back to a 5-4 conservative majority instead of 6-3.

 

[SteelShooter]

So you're saying there is no way. We are still where we were before this decision

I;m wondering if there is any downside to states not complying? Sure, lawsuits and stuff, but it's not their money, but eventually someone has to enforce it, who does that?

 

[TLB]

But based on facts. These guys won't touch cases that can have a huge impact on the 2A and some people think they will go after all licensing?... that is just too funny.

We got lucky with the NY case.

I dont see them changing.

The pro 2A judges were waiting for the opportunity to have the votes and opinions to do what they needed to support the 2A. With Kennedy as the pivotal vote, this case wasn't ever getting written up this way. I think more will follow, now. There is no reason to punt on important 2A cases. The time is now.

 

[pastera]

The state directs NYC and Nassau residents to apply to their own jurisdictions.
(And if their licensing schemes don't pass the sniff test,
maybe they'll get out of the business and leave it to the state).

But can you cite a passage in the state licensing law
which says that state permits are not valid in NYC?

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/re...kVAb8Of_oDwpykGwVxjLfR-LAh_OtNXBoCQlAQAvD_BwE

NY Pistol License is not valid in NYC but an NYC license is valid across the state.

 

[Bladerunner]

Looks like she still insists on sticking with "shall issue" rules to me... she knows best and all that.

"Under Massachusetts law, individuals are required to have a license to carry a firearm in order to carry a firearm in public. Massachusetts law prohibits some applicants from receiving a license based on criminal history and other factors. For applicants not categorically prohibited from obtaining a license, Massachusetts police chiefs have the authority to issue firearm licenses based on the suitability of the applicant to carry a firearm. Police chiefs also have discretion to set conditions on firearms licenses, including restrictions around the licensee’s ability to carry a firearm outside of the home".

You forgot the part that says you have to suck the chiefs ding dong as the final licensing hurdle.

 

[Waher]

California AG Cancels "Good Cause" for Concealed Carry

The California Attorney General told authorities to no longer require proof of good cause for the issuance of a public-carry license.

www.independentsentinel.com

View: https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status/1540501223543021576

 

[JoseyWales]

I hope Comm2A is now formulating a legal attack on the consumer protection list of handguns not for sale as well as going after Maura's law changing edict on the ban of AR-15 sales.

 

[Picton]

I hope Comm2A is now formulating a legal attack on the consumer protection list of handguns not for sale as well as going after Maura's law changing edict on the ban of AR-15 sales.

I think CA already has a similar list, with a legal challenge already pending.

As for the edict? Nothing about last Thursday's ruling changes it. It was never law. People have been disobeying it since the day she "issued" it, with no repercussions.

 

[pastera]

Maura is just buying time. She knows her time is limited as AG before she takes the Governors office and it won’t really be her problem when that happens.

By the time any lawsuits take place she will be gone from AG, one of the justices will be retired and replaced by FJB replacement pick which puts the court back to a 5-4 conservative majority instead of 6-3.

Which conservative is signaling retirement?

 

[Picton]

Which conservative is signaling retirement?

"You don't always get a 'signal' that a SCOTUS vacancy will occur."

-Antonin Scalia (not really)

 

[Rob Boudrie]

The Lawyers who won the Landmark Supreme Court victory protecting the Second Amendment were told to no longer do such cases or leave their law firm

After the 2020 presidential election, President Trump found that all the best lawyers were forced to not take the cases because their firms gave them the ultimatum: withdraw from representing Trump…

crimeresearch.org

I've never heard of a firm jettisoning attorneys for representing school shooters; rapists or people caught fishing without a license.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/re...kVAb8Of_oDwpykGwVxjLfR-LAh_OtNXBoCQlAQAvD_BwE

NY Pistol License is not valid in NYC but an NYC license is valid across the state.

This is accurate, however, the OP asked for a link to the law, not a third party summary. I used live in NY and had an upstate pistol permit. "Not valid in NYC unless endorsed by the commissioner of that city" was printed on the permit.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

California AG Cancels "Good Cause" for Concealed Carry

The California Attorney General told authorities to no longer require proof of good cause for the issuance of a public-carry license.

www.independentsentinel.com

Gonna start parking the car in the garage - I don't want pig shit dropping on it.

 

[Waher]

I've never heard of a firm jettisoning attorneys for representing school shooters; rapists or people caught fishing without a license.

Remember the lawyers that dared to represent Trump or his companies? The left is getting very active in making sure BAD THINK and UNPERSONS can't obtain legal representation to seek justice in a court of law

Gonna start parking the car in the garage - I don't want pig shit dropping on it.

 

[Dadstoys]

Cool, the traditon of slavery goes back over 2K years. Are we bringing it back?

I love the mental gymnastics these people need to do to try to justify their unconstitutional bullsh*t.

Can we go back to when women weren't allowed to vote too ?

 

[safetyfirst2125]

Can we go back to when women weren't allowed to vote too ?

I was told constitutional amendments aren’t absolute.

 

[steve8140]

Which conservative is signaling retirement?

None as of right now.

Stephen Breyer is retiring and being replaced by Katanji Brown Jackson I believe next year but those are dems.

I’m just saying anything can happen and Maura’s buying time until she’s gone.

 

[Hoover]

Looks like she still insists on sticking with "shall issue" rules to me... she knows best and all that.

"Under Massachusetts law, individuals are required to have a license to carry a firearm in order to carry a firearm in public. Massachusetts law prohibits some applicants from receiving a license based on criminal history and other factors. For applicants not categorically prohibited from obtaining a license, Massachusetts police chiefs have the authority to issue firearm licenses based on the suitability of the applicant to carry a firearm. Police chiefs also have discretion to set conditions on firearms licenses, including restrictions around the licensee’s ability to carry a firearm outside of the home".

I read it as "We have a long history of infringement under the name of democracy"

That was the most non-statement statement I’d ever read. She does say this though,



It appears she want to fight this and lose like some sort of Custer's last stand. It will play well with her fans I suppose.

I interpret that as each of you do, she’s going to do everything possible to negate the decision.

 

[Hoover]

Really? We need this imagery why?

Sotomayor in a thong bikini. Get that out of your mind the rest of today ha ha ha

 

[pastera]

This is accurate, however, the OP asked for a link to the law, not a third party summary. I used live in NY and had an upstate pistol permit. "Not valid in NYC unless endorsed by the commissioner of that city" was printed on the permit.

The link I posted is a reliable reference.
If the OP wants to see the exact statute, he can sift through NY law himself.

That NYPL is invalid for carry in NYC is well known among the gun people as a pint of trivia. The legal basis for that restriction is only relevant to those directly effected by it so we simply don't care.

 

[Waher]

I interpret that as each of you do, she’s going to do everything possible to negate the decision.

I'm going to laugh my ass off if she gets prosecuted by Rachel Rollins for the blatant §1983 violation because of the beef they have with each other.

Sotomayor in a thong bikini. Get that out of your mind the rest of today ha ha ha

You didn't say which Sotomayor so...

Have the Mass chiefs of police association chimed in yet?……. recently they were bragging about how Massachusetts licensing system was a model that other states should follow.

The are on their boats at their second homes for the weekend and will submit whatever Bloomberg faxes them at 5am on Monday.

 

[John4166]

Have the Mass chiefs of police association chimed in yet?……. recently they were bragging about how Massachusetts liciencing system was a model that other states should follow.

 

[Dench]

So if you combine this ruling with the new red flag law, I guess the net is: easier to get, but easier to take away.

In the end it's still much easier to take than it is to get, specifically for states that require licensing.

This case is and will be trivially easy for the left to ignore/side step. And I suspect the shit they pull to do just that will negatively impact ALL of us to the point where this case is much more of a drag than it is a benefit.

As long as they can remove arms from people who've never been convicted, can control specific firearm types and can control when and where you can actually carry... were still in rough waters.

 

[Hoover]

Ok so dumb this down for me. In the past these idiots would try legally risky/dumb things because there was no real consequence for them in doing so. Hasn't this decision kind of changed that whereas now it is pretty clear such F***ery would get them slapped into the next zip code.

Where they’ll absolutely try to push the issue is CA and NY. Some in MA, CT, NJ, MD will try but I don’t think they’ll be as active. CA especially is where most of the gun control ideas originate, they’re very active with gun and ,any other issues. Their legislature seems to much more active than other states passing laws of all types. The Ma legislature is lazy as heck. It seems like they go into an extended session every year just to pass the budget. That idiot linsky has had moronic gun control bills every year and they assign them to committees and they never reappear.

CA seems to be passing a new gun control bill at least once a year and really pushing how strictly they regulate. NJ seems to pass something every few years. MA has crap gun laws but it’s much better than CA and better than NJ, etc.

Trump turned the 9th circuit from a 21-8 dem to GOP nominee judge court to a 16-13. The landscape in that court is much different than when most of the CA gun control was passed. CA has some off the chart liberal loons though. Between LA and SF/Oakland area, they have a lot of ayanna pressley, squad crew type liberals so they will try to out do each other.

 

[M1911]

Either Charlie or Maura would sign any anti gun bill that hit their desk.
Change my mind.

The difference is that Maura would actively lobby the legislature to pass an anti gun bill. Baker wouldn’t.

You are making exactly the same mistake that progressives made during the Bush v Gore campaign in the 2000 presidential election. “There is no difference between Gore and Bush” they claimed, so they voted for Nader instead, who more closely matched their leftist views. As a result, Bush was elected. Then came the Iraq invasion and they realized there really is a difference between a Democrat and a Republican.

Is Baker a conservative? No. He’s not. But he also isn’t left wing Democrat.

The late columnist Mark Shields was known to point out that politics should be about finding converts, not punishing heretics. Both the Democratic and Republican parties are currently fixated on punishing heretics.

In MA, about 10% of the voters are registered Republicans and 32% registered Democrats. Only 18% of the MA State House are Republicans. In the last presidential election, Biden got 66% of the vote in MA while Trump got 32% of the vote. MA voters will not elect a conservative to a state-wide office. It won’t happen. In a choice between a liberal Democrat and a moderate Republican, a moderate Republican will be closer to our views more often than the Democrat. But our current MA Republican Party is delusional and is focusing on punishing heretics. The result is that they are pushing a conservative candidate for Governor who has aligned himself with Trump. At best, Diehl will get 30% of the vote (I predict a lot less because Diehl is a moron). Our next Governor will be Maura Healey and then the Republicans who spitefully railed at Baker will realize that just like there really was a big difference between Gore and Bush, there really is a big difference between Healey and Baker. Of course, by that time it will be too late because they’ve spent the last 6 years destroying the Republican Party in Massachusetts.