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So does the MBTA.
www.mbta.com
Which actually makes perfect sense tactically since public transportation worldwide is a very soft target for terrorism.So does the MBTA.
Special Operations -- Provides tactical support and handles explosive materials, with the support of 5 units:MBTA Transit Police | MBTA
Official website of the MBTA -- schedules, maps, and fare information for Greater Boston's public transportation system, including subway, commuter rail, bus routes, and boat lines.
- Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT)
- Explosive Detection Unit (EDU)
- Patrol K-9 Unit
- Motorcycle Unit
- Crisis Negotiation Unit
Correction: Despite still being listed on the Website, the MBTA SWAT team was reported as disbanded in 2020. My apologies.
You should see what FLETC burns any given day.I don't buy it, this is part of gun media/jingo hype machine. This nostrum of "buying the ammo to keep it off the market" is absurd. At least at the rates posited in the
articles.
If this is the case (or was the case during obama) then where is this secret bunker theyre storing all the ammo in?To buy enough ammo to really disrupt the market they'd have to be buying and caching it somewhere, or buying it and then destroying it, etc.
Also 700 grand on an ammo contract is basically "a handful of dog meat. " Sure its a lot of cash but not that much in an industry sense. Assuming a cost of $300 a case for bulk 9mm (reasonable assumption at big contract wholesale these days) that's basically like 2,334 cases of 9mm ammo. At a pallet rate of 64 cases a pallet, that's literally only 37 Pallets of ammo, or like a half dozen tractor trailers of 9mm, maybe less then that depending on how dense/heavy the trailers were packed. Nothing to sneeze at but in the scope of the whole market? Basically inconsequential. Back when Walmart sold ammo they were probably moving that much shit every a week out of their distribution center(s), maybe more. And Walmart was probably only 20% of the market at a feed point.
If you told me the IRS (or insert other similarly useless federal agency here) was buying 700K/mo in ammo then I'd be more likely to buy into this tinfoil funhouse theory.
Don't get me wrong this administration is shit and we likely havent seen the worst of it yet. But this "gov buying ammo" thing is so retarded its almost like its controlled opposition disinfo designed to make gun owners and pro RKBA advocates look mentally retarded.
Think about the optics of that for a minute. Layperson NPC anti goes "See? These people are so deranged they even think that the government is buying up all the ammo so they can't buy it!!!" etc and so on.
ETA: if we put it in geographic terms if this order of 9mm was to overlap with a regional supply of ammo and you coated the northeastern US (including tri state and PA) with that ammo, you're looking at like not even a month supply tops for those gun shops. That's not hugely disruptive on anything other than a short/near term scale.
Not to mention.... most of these contracts don't collect all the ammo at once. The contract is fulfilled as the ammo is received which is rarely, if ever "all at once. Might take whoever wins it a year or two to fill it (or whatever is mandated in the contract).
Sounds like you answered your own question here. 6 tractor trailers. Maybe 12 containers. Could be sitting on a dock just about anywhere.I don't buy it, this is part of gun media/jingo hype machine. This nostrum of "buying the ammo to keep it off the market" is absurd. At least at the rates posited in the
articles.
... where is this secret bunker theyre storing all the ammo in?
Also 700 grand on an ammo contract is basically ... that's basically like 2,334 cases of 9mm ammo. At a pallet rate of 64 cases a pallet, that's literally only 37 Pallets of ammo, or like a half dozen tractor trailers of 9mm, maybe less then that depending on how dense/heavy the trailers were packed.
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That was the point. 12 containers IS inconsequential. We're in agreement here.Not my point. That amount of ammo is inconsequential. The Jingo/tinfoiler narrative on this is that gov has been hoarding ammo, but mysteriously theres no magic facility where these
millions of rounds of market disruption are located.
FIFY
So does the MBTA.
Special Operations -- Provides tactical support and handles explosive materials, with the support of 5 units:MBTA Transit Police | MBTA
Official website of the MBTA -- schedules, maps, and fare information for Greater Boston's public transportation system, including subway, commuter rail, bus routes, and boat lines.
- Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT)
- Explosive Detection Unit (EDU)
- Patrol K-9 Unit
- Motorcycle Unit
- Crisis Negotiation Unit
I think you're taking her commentary the wrong way but rather she's asking a question why we need so many armed federal agents. There's so much redundancy in federal LE its retarded.
thefederalist.com
I didn't say that, what i said earlier in this thread is you look at feds with guns. 50% of those feds will never, ever be in a position where they need to use a gun in the course of employment. Irs? Not sure if serious. The irs can already ruin people just fine. More often than not USMS does most of their warrants etc anyways. It's all LE empire building jerkoff syndrome. There are easily like 4 times the number of fed agents carrying guns since 9/11 . You can consolidate most of that shit just fine. Hell 90% of the FBI is useless you could start there even.... then maybe the remainder would stick to hunting diddlers.
Not true, FBI and others routinely seize stuff using asset forfeiture all the time. ATF used to even have an inside motto of "Always Think Forfeiture". All they have to do is use the words "we think this was materiel or obtained from gains of criminal activity" and poof, gone leaving the accused to prove otherwise.
No, and it never has. That bit of folklore came out of a 2011 raid, but was quickly walked back by the news reporters who got it wrong. They do have officers armed with shotguns, though. In 2020, the GAO published a list of Federal non-military tactical teams. It included two teams under the Department of Energy, and even Amtrak has a SWAT team, but not Education:
As we've seen in various states, including here in Massachusetts, cooperation by LEO's is far from assured. And on Federal lands, local agencies don't have any jurisdiction.
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