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Yes and no. At a recent Military Academy Fitness Test, a female candidate had the top score.

Yeah... she also didnt deadlift more than all the dudes, do the sprint drag carry faster, run 2 miles faster etc... she just got a higher score because the standards are adjusted for the fact that men are stronger than women.

The army still cant decide whether it wants to scrap the new billion dollar ACFT because not enough twatwaffen soldatas can pass it.
 

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I feel attacked. Wacha is my boy. Not only did he grow up in Texarkana, the Cards are my team.

For extra irony, he now has a one year contract with the Red Sox for 2022.
 

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Now rolling around in martial arts as I age, its the same exact thing. I've never been defeated by a female in sparring. Some of the ones who are significantly more skilled than I have come very close. But everytime I can claw my ass out. Again, the woman are incredibly smart and in this case technically more skilled often times. I have no doubt I will get caught and the fact that I haven't is probably luck at this point, but it goes with the trend I've seen since puberty.

My current future ex-girlfriend was a semi pro featherweight mma fighter with a 5-2-0 record, im a basically retarded 200lb dude who had a major back surgery like 3 years ago... take one guess who be getting submitted errrnight...

Women are inferior in every way, bruce jenner is prime example, the best woman in america is literally a f***ing dude. Idk why dudes be simping for these skanks, look at how f***ed our country has gotten since we let them vote and hold positions of power. Simps on NES are the reason America sucks big fat cock now, whats it been like 100 years? We let these trollips destroy everything, yet still some of you are too cucked to see it. "Womanz can be strong womanz reee reee reee"

Bitch go make your wife a sandwich and watch the WNBA.
 
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Lyudmila Pavlinchenko had 309 confirmed kills of Nazi troops during World War 2. She used a Mosin Nagant. Not bad for a young lady with a 19th century weapon.
Russia had some pretty badass female snipers in past wars. I don't think it should be mandatory but if someone wants to train and fight to defend their country from invasion I think they should be allowed.
 

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They better start drafting dogs and cats if Putin is knocking on their door.

I wonder if Ukranians are allowed to own guns, to engage the Russians in guerilla warfare, like the Chechnyans, and make an invasion very costly.

Fun fact: "Putin" sounds a lot like "puta", which is Spanish for whore.
 

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I wonder if Ukranians are allowed to own guns, to engage the Russians in guerilla warfare, like the Chechnyans, and make an invasion very costly.
Yes, they can. Rifles and shotguns only. Pistols are prohibited. No limits on mag capacity, caliber, or suppressors. Depending on how the data is collected, gun ownership in the country is anywhere between 10%-20% of the adult population between ages 15 and 68. That's according to official stats.

The law requires that all guns are registered with the police. Corruption of law enforcement is very common there. The vast majority of people do not trust the police and acquire guns without "registering" them. Army, especially in the 90's", was "losing" firearms in tens of thousands. By some estimates, there is upwards of 40 guns per 100 people in Ukraine. Of course, you have to take this stat with a grain of salt...
 
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Yes, they can. Rifles and shotguns only. Pistols are prohibited. No limits on mag capacity, caliber, or suppressors. Depending on how the data is collected, gun ownership in the country is anywhere between 10%-20% of the adult population between ages 15 and 68. That's according to official stats.

The law requires that all guns are registered with the police. Corruption of law enforcement is very common there. The vast majority of people do not trust the police and acquire guns without "registering" them. Army, especially in the 90's", was "losing" firearms in tens of thousands. By some estimates, there is upwards of 40 guns per 100 people in Ukraine. Of course, you have to take this stat with a grain of salt...
I get the feeling this is why so many milsurps were available from Ukraine until 2014. Not just government surplus sales, but stuff walking out of arsenal storage for a few bucks each month because no one was checking inventory on stuff put into long term storage after the last rearsenal in the 1970s.

I recall a few years ago when the Russian military finally did an audit of inventory when there was embarrassment that some of the far eastern reserve divisions were still using "foot cloths". This was because the boots they were issued didn't work well with regular wool socks, since the boots were part of stockpiles left over from the Tsarist era. Apparently in the further flung parts of Russia warehouses are still full of century old materials perfectly preserved and mostly forgotten due to being obsolete. The USSR never threw anything away, just put it in long term storage, so its been sitting around all this time in cold climates friendly to long term storage collecting dust.
 

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First time seeing this thread. Here’s my contribution: search results using keywords ’Ukraine’ or ‘Ukrainian’ on any porn sites usually do not disappoint.
 

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I hear you. I carried an M60, M240, and an M249 at various points in my enlistment. Firing them was almost worth carrying them, almost. I was lucky to never have to carry a MK19 or M2 as they were always vehicle mounted for my unit. Was a mule for a TOW system a few times at NTC though. Never understood the thought process of infantry with TOW in the desert. Mount the damn thing to a Humvee or M113 or even a Toyota/technical and have at it. Instead, we got to hump pieces of a tripod mounted TOW into the smallish mountains overlooking the desert floor as OPFOR. In hindsight, we were really playing the role of the Taliban.

I don't have the scoring for the academy test as it's "top secret". Not really, but not publicly available. I think there might be a website/app or two that simulates your score, but they may be pay-to-play. The max scores are available though, keeping in mind this is likely for 18-22 given the usual ages of academy candidates: The Candidate Fitness Assessment

Maximum Performance Scores by Event and Gender:​

B-Ball ThrowPull-UpsShuttle RunCrunchesPush-Ups1-Mile
Male102187.895755:20
Female6678.695506:00
m240 is kinda similar to what i had to mule as at 18.5yr old when drafted first i was 'lucky' to be assigned into a machine gun squad... made me hate all with a kalashnikov name for life. :)

what i wanted to ask about - when you had to shoot it - did they give you here in states any ear protection or you guys use same thing we did - just a couple of shot shells stuck into your ears?
 

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m240 is kinda similar to what i had to mule as at 18.5yr old when drafted first i was 'lucky' to be assigned into a machine gun squad... made me hate all with a kalashnikov name for life. :)

what i wanted to ask about - when you had to shoot it - did they give you here in states any ear protection or you guys use same thing we did - just a couple of shot shells stuck into your ears?
We had foam or plastic ear plugs. Back when I was in basic, you had to have the plastic earplug case attached to your BDU shirt pocket button with plugs in it.
 

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ukraine is loaded with tail, by the way they hold their rifles, I'd say it's a morale unit full of good looking slam pigs
 

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I'm not disagreeing with anything you say regarding upper body strength, just there are plenty of females that have the fitness/endurance to excel. Hand to hand combat is an exceptional case and unless a special forces operative, almost a non-issue even in the combat arms for regular soldiers and barely trained. I think we spent a total of one day in a training cycle in Basic covering hand-to-hand. Afghanistan showed most combat happened at distances of 500-1000km. Even urban/MOUT combat in Iraq didn't devolve into hand-to-hand. Again, real life examples are out there in Israel. Recon units and sniper support females or mixed unites seem to excel.

The Academy fitness test is:
kneeling basketball throw, pull ups, shuttle run (30 ft legs, 120ft total), sit ups, push ups, 1 mile run. Each event except the 1 mile is 2 minutes long, with 3 minutes of rest in between. The mile run has an 8 minute rest interval before it. It is scored out of a total of 100 points between the 6 events with pull ups and the 1 mile run being heavily weighted.

Because of the number of events and the overall lack of rest, it is a tougher overall test than the typical APFT.
Back in my days, I would’ve considered that a warm up, not a test. 1 mile run? Lol.
 

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You are missing a VERY large part of the WW2 experience: the Russians. For the US and Germany, WW2 in many was a continuation of doctrines created in WW1 when it comes to men and women in the armed forces. Russia, on the other hand, was able to bring women into positions where hand-to-hand combat was not required. Soviets have discovered that women are excellent in roles that require a high level of concentration and monotony. Bomber pilots and snipers are two examples where continuous mental focus is essential. Women were also excellent at intelligence gathering.
The Red Army had female tank drivers. Russian tanks tend to have small armor envelopes so their height was an advantage, and they were strong enough for the job.

Also, if you crash a tank it’s not the tank that gets damaged…. I keed! I keed!
 

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Soviet Women Tankers who Carried Destruction to the Nazis

During the Second World War, a large number of women fought in the ranks of the Red Army. At different times, their numbers ranged from 800,000 to 1 million.

There was practically no role in which women did not fight as well as the men around them. Many of them performed equally heroic feats and were honored to be awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union and other top medals.

However, only a few dozen Soviet women managed to cope with the most difficult task: to be a tanker.

Unlike modern vehicles, tanks at that time demanded a high concentration from drivers as well as great physical exertion to control them.

Not many women managed to overcome the necessary obstacles and prejudices to become a member of a tank crew.

Mariya Oktyabrskaya

Mariya Vasilyevna Oktyabrskaya (Russian: Мария Васильевна Октябрьская; 16 August 1905 – 15 March 1944) was a Soviet tank driver and mechanic who fought on the Eastern Front against Nazi Germany during World War II. After her husband was killed fighting in 1941, Oktyabrskaya sold her possessions to donate a tank for the war effort, and requested that she be allowed to drive it. She received and was trained to drive and fix a T-34 medium tank, which she named "Fighting Girlfriend"
 

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It makes sense. The Soviets were out of people, desperate and you need to be a midget to fit into Soviet tanks.
 

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Not only drivers (many pictures online) but there was even a Guards Tank Officer,
The article you posted does say that she was the only female tank officer. She must have been exceptionally strong since anyone who was in armored units was required to do their own tank maintenance such as changing tracks.
 

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The article you posted does say that she was the only female tank officer. She must have been exceptionally strong since anyone who was in armored units was required to do their own tank maintenance such as changing tracks.

Another famous one.

 
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Another famous one.
I think you're missing the point so LMGTFY.

There were thousands of women pilots, women snipers, women unit radio operators. There was a sniper school dedicated EXCLUSIVELY to training women snipers. There were four aircraft training schools dedicated exclusively to training women pilots. There were no tank schools for women and, as a result, ZERO all-female tank units. Not even a single tank battalion.

As I stated above, women had a far more significant role in the Soviet Army of WW2 than in any other country's military. Their success is directly related to the type of role they were in. Tank combat was not one of those roles. To try to pretend that women fought in tanks en'mass, is just plain wrong

Just because you can search on google or youtube, doesn't make you an expert, apparently. If you really want to get started on learning WW2 history, start with Victor David Hanson's book "The Second World Wars" or "The Unwomanly Face of War".
 

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I think you're missing the point so LMGTFY.

There were thousands of women pilots, women snipers, women unit radio operators. There was a sniper school dedicated EXCLUSIVELY to training women snipers. There were four aircraft training schools dedicated exclusively to training women pilots. There were no tank schools for women and, as a result, ZERO all-female tank units. Not even a single tank battalion.
Got it.
 

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You want to stay home, cook, clean, maybe work part time at dunks and raise kids? Fine. No draft for you. No vote either unfortunately,

Want to be a brave, independent woman who don’t need no man? Here is your voting ballot and rifle . The front line is that way.

Now the two groups oil themselves up and wrestle. Then we all win.
I was gonna ask "why can't we all just get along?",
but I don't want to be premature.

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