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Vermont - property access request to survey frogs - EPIC response

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The State of Bermont Department of Fish and Wildlife sends a letter to a home/landowner asking for permission to access a creek on his property to document the decline in a certain species of unheard of frogs.
The property owners' response in the second letter is EPIC.

Letter from Vermont Dept. Of Fish & Wildlife:
Dear Landowner:
VDFWR Staff will be conducting surveys for foothill yellow-legged frogs & other amphibians over the next few months. As part of this research we would like to survey the creek on your property. I am writing this letter to request your permission to access your property.
Recent research indicates that foothill yellow-legged frogs have declined significantly in recent years and are no longer found at half their historic sites. Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated and will help contribute to the conservation of this important species.
Please fill out the attached postage-paid postcard and let us know if you are willing to let us cross your property or not.
If you have any concerns about this project please give us a call. We would love to talk with you about our research.
Sincerely
Steve Niemela
Conservation Strategy Implementation Biologist
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RESPONSE FROM LANDOWNERS:
Dear Mr. Niemela:
Thank you for your inquiry regarding accessing our property to survey for the yellow-legged frog. We may be able to help you out with this matter.

We have divided our 2.26 acres into 75 equal survey units with a draw tag for each unit. Application fees are only $8.00 per unit after you purchase the "Frog Survey License" ($120.00 resident / $180.00 Non-Resident). You will also need to obtain a "Frog Habitat" parking permit ($10.00 per vehicle).

You will also need an "Invasive Species" stamp ($15.00 for the first vehicle and $5.00 for each add'l vehicle) You will also want to register at the Check Station to have your vehicle inspected for Non-native plant life prior to entering our property. There is also a Day Use fee, $5.00 per vehicle.

If you are successful in the Draw you will be notified two weeks in advance so you can make necessary plans and purchase your "Creek Habitat" stamp. ($18.00 Resident / $140.00 Non-Resident).
Survey units open between 8 am. And 3 PM. But you cannot commence survey until 9 am. And must cease all survey activity by 1 PM.
Survey Gear can only include a net with a 2" diameter made of 100% organic cotton netting with no longer than an 18 in handle, non-weighted and no deeper than 6' from net frame to bottom of net. Handles can only be made of BPA-free plastics or wooden handles.
After 1 PM. You can use a net with a 3" diameter if you purchase the "Frog Net Endorsement" ($75.00 Resident / $250 Non-Resident).
Any frogs captured that are released will need to be released with an approved release device back into the environment unharmed.
As of June 1, we are offering draw tags for our "Premium Survey" units and application is again only $8.00 per application.
However, all fees can be waived if you can verify "Native Indian Tribal rights and status".
You will also need to provide evidence of successful completion of "Frog Surveys" and your "Comprehensive Course on Frog Identification, Safe Handling Practices, and Self-Defense Strategies for Frog Attacks."
This course is offered on-line through an accredited program for a nominal fee of $750.00.
Please let us know if we can be of assistance to you. Otherwise, we decline your access to our property but appreciate your inquiry.
Sincerely,
 
The State of Bermont Department of Fish and Wildlife sends a letter to a home/landowner asking for permission to access a creek on his property to document the decline in a certain species of unheard of frogs.
The property owners' response in the second letter is EPIC.

Letter from Vermont Dept. Of Fish & Wildlife:
Dear Landowner:
VDFWR Staff will be conducting surveys for foothill yellow-legged frogs & other amphibians over the next few months. As part of this research we would like to survey the creek on your property. I am writing this letter to request your permission to access your property.
Recent research indicates that foothill yellow-legged frogs have declined significantly in recent years and are no longer found at half their historic sites. Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated and will help contribute to the conservation of this important species.
Please fill out the attached postage-paid postcard and let us know if you are willing to let us cross your property or not.
If you have any concerns about this project please give us a call. We would love to talk with you about our research.
Sincerely
Steve Niemela
Conservation Strategy Implementation Biologist
***************************** ******************************
****************************** *****************************
RESPONSE FROM LANDOWNERS:
Dear Mr. Niemela:
Thank you for your inquiry regarding accessing our property to survey for the yellow-legged frog. We may be able to help you out with this matter.

We have divided our 2.26 acres into 75 equal survey units with a draw tag for each unit. Application fees are only $8.00 per unit after you purchase the "Frog Survey License" ($120.00 resident / $180.00 Non-Resident). You will also need to obtain a "Frog Habitat" parking permit ($10.00 per vehicle).

You will also need an "Invasive Species" stamp ($15.00 for the first vehicle and $5.00 for each add'l vehicle) You will also want to register at the Check Station to have your vehicle inspected for Non-native plant life prior to entering our property. There is also a Day Use fee, $5.00 per vehicle.

If you are successful in the Draw you will be notified two weeks in advance so you can make necessary plans and purchase your "Creek Habitat" stamp. ($18.00 Resident / $140.00 Non-Resident).
Survey units open between 8 am. And 3 PM. But you cannot commence survey until 9 am. And must cease all survey activity by 1 PM.
Survey Gear can only include a net with a 2" diameter made of 100% organic cotton netting with no longer than an 18 in handle, non-weighted and no deeper than 6' from net frame to bottom of net. Handles can only be made of BPA-free plastics or wooden handles.
After 1 PM. You can use a net with a 3" diameter if you purchase the "Frog Net Endorsement" ($75.00 Resident / $250 Non-Resident).
Any frogs captured that are released will need to be released with an approved release device back into the environment unharmed.
As of June 1, we are offering draw tags for our "Premium Survey" units and application is again only $8.00 per application.
However, all fees can be waived if you can verify "Native Indian Tribal rights and status".
You will also need to provide evidence of successful completion of "Frog Surveys" and your "Comprehensive Course on Frog Identification, Safe Handling Practices, and Self-Defense Strategies for Frog Attacks."
This course is offered on-line through an accredited program for a nominal fee of $750.00.
Please let us know if we can be of assistance to you. Otherwise, we decline your access to our property but appreciate your inquiry.
Sincerely,
Epic
 
The State of Bermont Department of Fish and Wildlife sends a letter to a home/landowner asking for permission to access a creek on his property to document the decline in a certain species of unheard of frogs.
The property owners' response in the second letter is EPIC.

Letter from Vermont Dept. Of Fish & Wildlife:
Dear Landowner:
VDFWR Staff will be conducting surveys for foothill yellow-legged frogs & other amphibians over the next few months. As part of this research we would like to survey the creek on your property. I am writing this letter to request your permission to access your property.
Recent research indicates that foothill yellow-legged frogs have declined significantly in recent years and are no longer found at half their historic sites. Your cooperation will be greatly appreciated and will help contribute to the conservation of this important species.
Please fill out the attached postage-paid postcard and let us know if you are willing to let us cross your property or not.
If you have any concerns about this project please give us a call. We would love to talk with you about our research.
Sincerely
Steve Niemela
Conservation Strategy Implementation Biologist
***************************** ******************************
****************************** *****************************
RESPONSE FROM LANDOWNERS:
Dear Mr. Niemela:
Thank you for your inquiry regarding accessing our property to survey for the yellow-legged frog. We may be able to help you out with this matter.

We have divided our 2.26 acres into 75 equal survey units with a draw tag for each unit. Application fees are only $8.00 per unit after you purchase the "Frog Survey License" ($120.00 resident / $180.00 Non-Resident). You will also need to obtain a "Frog Habitat" parking permit ($10.00 per vehicle).

You will also need an "Invasive Species" stamp ($15.00 for the first vehicle and $5.00 for each add'l vehicle) You will also want to register at the Check Station to have your vehicle inspected for Non-native plant life prior to entering our property. There is also a Day Use fee, $5.00 per vehicle.

If you are successful in the Draw you will be notified two weeks in advance so you can make necessary plans and purchase your "Creek Habitat" stamp. ($18.00 Resident / $140.00 Non-Resident).
Survey units open between 8 am. And 3 PM. But you cannot commence survey until 9 am. And must cease all survey activity by 1 PM.
Survey Gear can only include a net with a 2" diameter made of 100% organic cotton netting with no longer than an 18 in handle, non-weighted and no deeper than 6' from net frame to bottom of net. Handles can only be made of BPA-free plastics or wooden handles.
After 1 PM. You can use a net with a 3" diameter if you purchase the "Frog Net Endorsement" ($75.00 Resident / $250 Non-Resident).
Any frogs captured that are released will need to be released with an approved release device back into the environment unharmed.
As of June 1, we are offering draw tags for our "Premium Survey" units and application is again only $8.00 per application.
However, all fees can be waived if you can verify "Native Indian Tribal rights and status".
You will also need to provide evidence of successful completion of "Frog Surveys" and your "Comprehensive Course on Frog Identification, Safe Handling Practices, and Self-Defense Strategies for Frog Attacks."
This course is offered on-line through an accredited program for a nominal fee of $750.00.
Please let us know if we can be of assistance to you. Otherwise, we decline your access to our property but appreciate your inquiry.
Sincerely,
Perfect, except that he forgot the part requiring frog surveyors to wear at least 500 square inches of apparel in Frog Orange while conducting survey activities.
 
There’s hope for this country yet.

Can you imagine the shit these a**h***s would put him through if they found those f***ing frogs in his creek? He’d never be able to put up a shed for his own lawnmower, let alone sell off parcels should he choose to.

Unbelievable response though.
Yup, he would be f*cked.

Yet, too many people don't think and would allow the gov to conduct their study.
 
Yup, he would be f*cked.

Yet, too many people don't think and would allow the gov to conduct their study.
It ain't just the gubmint.
Insurance companies anyone?
Trying to renew homeowners for less than assrape prices. The last company, Plymouth Rock, sent an "inspector". During a powered outage, when no one was home. The wife caught him leaving the driveway and scolded him.
His report said among other things, that the shed(garden type) would need to be demolished and totally rebuilt before the could write a policy.

I built the shed 25 years ago and it is quite sturdy. It does need paint but I guarantee it will be standing 25 years from now.
Asshats.
(Sorry for the derail)
 
You can tell it wasn't 'recent'. That level of spite would have included 'Dear Mr./Mrs./Ms./It/xe/ljksad/apso/or whatever pronoun you use.' in the introduction.
 
Perfect example of how moronic the states have gotten with game laws and tag prices to become money making whores on backs of hunters to fill state coffers.

One reason why I won't hunt out west or in the midwest states where deer tags have become 500 dollars plus.
 
Perfect example of how moronic the states have gotten with game laws and tag prices to become money making whores on backs of hunters to fill state coffers.

One reason why I won't hunt out west or in the midwest states where deer tags have become 500 dollars plus.
500 bucks for a deer tag.
Are you shitting me?!
Why so much coin?
 
Perfect example of how moronic the states have gotten with game laws and tag prices to become money making whores on backs of hunters to fill state coffers.

One reason why I won't hunt out west or in the midwest states where deer tags have become 500 dollars plus.

I was talking to my dad's across-the-street neighbor the other day out here in Colorado. He was practicing archery into his garage at the time.

He says it's about $60 for an elk tag out here... for a resident. The $500 price tags are for out-of-staters.
 
500 bucks for a deer tag.
Are you shitting me?!
Why so much coin?
Well some of the bucks in Kansas and Iowa are pretty big. They whore them out, just as much as the landowners whore out their leases every year to deer hunters for thousands.

I get it....supply/demand....but I won't pay it.

And you realize the cheapest Elk tag Non resident can get is probably 700 now in Colorado. Other states are draw tags only. And I'm sure they soak NR for them too.
 
I was talking to my dad's across-the-street neighbor the other day out here in Colorado. He was practicing archery into his garage at the time.

He says it's about $60 for an elk tag out here... for a resident. The $500 price tags are for out-of-staters.
I think its 700 now non resident.
 
The problem is folks...........

When the people working for the state got the letter and read it, they thought the dude was dead serious, started budgeting for the fees and tried to sign up for the online Frog class.
 
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I think its 700 now non resident.
Tough to justify when you can probalby buy a side of beef or a whole cow for that and feed a family of four for a year.

Especially when you know theres a chance you could eat tag soup for 700. And that 700 won't be the only expense, there is travel, gear, gas, and staying somewhere. If you do get an elk your probably looking at another 300 for a meatlocker. Probably tough to do a trip for 2500 now door to door and that's with free camping in a National Forest or something.

Guided private ranch probably looking at 7K now, maybe 10K.
 
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