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I shot the .44 spl loads this morning. 5 grains of HP38 was mild and accurate but 13 grains of 2400 was better. More potent and most rounds in one big hole. I'll try 14 and 15 grains of 2400 tomorrow. I know they're above max. but .44 special data tends to be mild and the N frame is a big strong gun. 13 grains gave very good accuracy and cases fell out of the cylinder.