What do you think of the Walther PPS vs. Glock in terms of build quality?

[Kahrmine]

So when I bought my PPS .40 I had no idea it was basically a Glock knockoff. That being said, I've grown to now appreciate the simplicity of the Glock design, and will be buying a Glock as a second gun (I carry the PPS, but would have the Glock as a range gun).

I've heard mixed things. What do you all think of these two weapons? Has Walther nailed the Glock quality in a slimmer design? Or are they the Fleamarket Gucci of Glocks?

 

[SJan]

Glocks are fine handguns, but I would put Walther higher on the list of build quality.

 

[OB1Kenobi]

IMO, the PPS is one of the few Walther got right. excellent carry piece....

 

[Kahrmine]

Glocks are fine handguns, but I would put Walther higher on the list of build quality.

Really? I had no idea, but I don't know crap about pistols anyhow.

And yes, Obi, this gun is a sweet pistol. I really, really love my PPS.

 

[Trouble]

I prefer glock over the walther, that said the pps is a great quality gun and carries great. At this stage, IMO its a matter of pref. I think youll find the walther to be a bit more refined however.

 

[Master Shooter]

Glocks are fine handguns, but I would put Walther higher on the list of build quality.

I don't want to flame. Walther only makes a handful of quality guns, and the PPS is considered one of them. However, I'd take my Glock over it whenever possible, the PPS just makes a better pocket gun.

Some of Walther's guns just outright don't work and/or are gimicky, the P22 is the poster child of this. You can't say this about a single Glock.

 

[Cerfur]

The walther pps is my edc I love it.. I also love glocks.. The quality of the walther is great.. so is glock.. The walther has a more modern look.. And many folks will tell you walther is a premium hand gun and a glock is a every mans gun,,,,

To think about it using cars.. Glock is like a Toyota... Walther a bmw... There are better brands I would label as a porshe ...

I live in Massachussets, so for someone with limited conections most glocks I have access to are already 14+ years old so I am a big walther fan!

However if you are looking for a range gun and you already carry the pps I would really recommend getting the walther P99 or PPQ if you are in a free state.. For one reason. Magazine release! The PPS is on the trigger guard as you know.. So if all your guns have the same release you wont ever have a problem under stress... I have a P22, a PPS and P99 never had a issue with any! Now if you plan on having a wide variety of hand guns anyway go for whatever suits your fancy. But if it is one range gun get the P99... or the PPQ if you live in a free state.. And if you are on a budget the P22 is only 300 bucks new feed it cci minimags and buy it new and it wont give you any issues at all!

 

[Cerfur]

I don't want to flame. Walther only makes a handful of quality guns, and the PPS is considered one of them. However, I'd take my Glock over it whenever possible, the PPS just makes a better pocket gun.

Some of Walther's guns just outright don't work and/or are gimicky, the P22 is the poster child of this. You can't say this about a single Glock.

You are quite right all glocks just work... The p22 had some hicupps the first couple years it was made no question after 2008 it is a solid pistol. If you feed it the right ammo! I have 4 freinds with them.. 3 out of the 4 are like me thousands of rounds no problems... The one with problems insists on feeding it bulk pack ammo..It just dosent like it never has never will... If you fault the gun for it that's fine. But really I think my p22 is over 2000 rounds easy and the only problems I ever had with it was the day I tried feeding it bulk ammo.... A glock will shoot anything I agree.. My dads Porsche only takes premium gas I don't fault it for it...

 

[TheRoland]

I think "build quality" is meaningless and subjective. What even does it mean?

 

[SJan]

I think "build quality" is meaningless and subjective. What even does it mean?

Its about the craftsmanship, aesthetics, the fit and finish. Build quality may not have anything to do with reliability or durability.


example of "high build quality" flotter390's Wilson

example of "low build quality" the shovel on the left

 

[Nicole]

You are quite right all glocks just work... The p22 had some hicupps the first couple years it was made no question after 2008 it is a solid pistol. If you feed it the right ammo! I have 4 freinds with them.. 3 out of the 4 are like me thousands of rounds no problems... The one with problems insists on feeding it bulk pack ammo..It just dosent like it never has never will... If you fault the gun for it that's fine. But really I think my p22 is over 2000 rounds easy and the only problems I ever had with it was the day I tried feeding it bulk ammo.... A glock will shoot anything I agree.. My dads Porsche only takes premium gas I don't fault it for it...

To think about it using cars.. Glock is like a Toyota... Walther a bmw... There are better brands I would label as a porshe ...

And if you are on a budget the P22 is only 300 bucks new feed it cci minimags and buy it new and it wont give you any issues at all!

I won't get into a pissing match about Walther generally, but the P22 is no BMW. 1. It's not made by Walther, it's made by Umarex with Walther branding. 2. The slide is made of pot metal and is KNOWN to crack, occasionally resulting in parts of the slide flying back and smacking the shooter in the face. Google this.

You may get one that runs just fine, or you may get one that decides to disintegrate in the middle of a range session.

There are better options out there that don't feel the need to spontaneously disassemble in creative new ways AND will eat bulk ammo while retaining the ability to shoot better than most of us will ever be capable of.

 

[Cerfur]

I won't get into a pissing match about Walther generally, but the P22 is no BMW. 1. It's not made by Walther, it's made by Umarex with Walther branding. 2. The slide is made of pot metal and is KNOWN to crack, occasionally resulting in parts of the slide flying back and smacking the shooter in the face. Google this.

You may get one that runs just fine, or you may get one that decides to disintegrate in the middle of a range session.

There are better options out there that don't feel the need to spontaneously disassemble in creative new ways AND will eat bulk ammo while retaining the ability to shoot better than most of us will ever be capable of.

Yes there are better options, the new ruger sr22 defintly a better gun...... What would you sugest he get to cheaply train with that has the same magazine relase?? The p22 is a great option in the event he wanted to train or just plink with the same magazine relase and could not afford to shoot 9mm or 40 all day...

 

[ColdDayInHell]

Correct Nicole. The P22 sales have already dwindled due to the SR22 coming into the polymer framed 22 market and hitting a grand slam. It's cheap, reliable, and will eat any ammo you put through it. The P22 is made with garbage metal and will crack over time. This has happened to a ton of shooters and I won't expect anyone but Walther fan boys to buy them anymore.

The PPS has the Glock design but is more pleasing to the eye. Glocks are just the standard polymer framed pistol, nothing more nothing less. The PPS is very slim, making it carry real nice. It is slimmer than the Glock 19 which makes it print less. This is all subjective and whatever you shoot better determines which gun you should buy. Sure the Glock design is in the PPS, but it is also mirrored in the SR series Ruger pistols, which are excellent carry guns. I think it's personal preference with Glock and Walther. This being said, I can't wait to own a PPS in 9mm. And I own a SR9c and Gen4 G19. The PPS is a sexy little gun.

 

[Nicole]

Yes there are better options, the new ruger sr22 defintly a better gun...... What would you sugest he get to cheaply train with that has the same magazine relase?? The p22 is a great option in the event he wanted to train or just plink with the same magazine relase and could not afford to shoot 9mm or 40 all day...

Can't recall another .22 with the same mag release, nor am I aware of a conversion kit. But then again, he didn't state that he felt such a need - that was you. *If* someone wants a .22 trainer *and* they feel that a similar mag release is an important part of their training, and the PPS is their preferred carry gun, then yes, the PPS is the obvious solution. My contention was that it is in no way a BMW. It is more like a Pinto.

There are better 22s on the market that shoot fine, happily eat bulk pack ammo, and don't have an established track record of throwing large chunks of the gun directly into the shooter's face. Were I dedicated to the PPS as a carry gun, I would just save my mag change training for when I was dry firing or shooting the PPS itself and use whatever 22 I owned to practice trigger press, sight alignment, target acquisition, drawing, etc.

That is of course my personal prioritization. In the situation you have circumscribed for me, perhaps the P22 is the only available option. That does not make it a good gun, merely the only thing occupying that particular niche.

 

[Acme.Armament]

So when I bought my PPS .40 I had no idea it was basically a Glock knockoff. That being said, I've grown to now appreciate the simplicity of the Glock design, and will be buying a Glock as a second gun (I carry the PPS, but would have the Glock as a range gun).

I've heard mixed things. What do you all think of these two weapons? Has Walther nailed the Glock quality in a slimmer design? Or are they the Fleamarket Gucci of Glocks?

I think Glock is better as I have shot them a lot more. Walther is owned by Smith & Wesson who is owned by the Saf-T-Hammer Corporation. Glock is owned by Glock. There are 22 LR conversions for Glocks to help you save $$ on ammo.

 

[Gastrok]

I think Glock is better as I have shot them a lot more. Walther is owned by Smith & Wesson who is owned by the Saf-T-Hammer Corporation. Glock is owned by Glock. There are 22 LR conversions for Glocks to help you save $$ on ammo.

I thought S&W was just the distributor. I've also read that the relationship between the two companies recently ended.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/daniel-zimmerman/walther-splits-smith-wesson-mostly/

 

[RealQuick]

have an established track record of throwing large chunks of the gun directly into the shooter's face.

Any links?

 

[Nicole]

Any links?

Are you familiar with JFGI? Here's what my Google search found on my 5 minute break. Just going off the summaries shown in the Google search as I'm on the phone and it's slow. These things came up in the "P22 cracked frame face" search and appeared from the summaries to be on point. My apologies if not all of them recount a shooter getting hit in the face but showed up as hits in the quick & dirty research. Shall we start with an incident submitted on NES?

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved= 0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.northeastshooters.com% 2Fvbulletin%2Farchive%2Findex.php%2Ft-159759.html&ei= bQlSUOTUBJGs0AGM9IGQDA&usg= AFQjCNHIMOL8QNMeD-ZsWK29QLyaWUKNnQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=18&cad=rja&ved= 0CFoQFjAHOAo&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.carolinashootersclub. com%2Fthreads%2F64722-Walther-P22-Broken-slide&ei=MAlSUMOpBKrr0gG6x4GoCQ&usg= AFQjCNHrcNH2P72Nply5lgXJYZSnZLxvNg

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=17&cad=rja&ved= 0CFEQFjAGOAo&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.migunowners.org%2Fforum% 2Farchive%2Findex.php%2Ft-74984.html&ei= MAlSUMOpBKrr0gG6x4GoCQ&usg= AFQjCNHaSIbyt7cepXAwNP9n2V73AOV1Aw

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CD0QFjAF& url=http%3A%2F%2Fnorthernutahgunclub.com% 2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D3%26t%3D69&ei= 4whSUKvwN46M0QHc14HIAQ&usg= AFQjCNGI1YNVUzJXnxrDfqW01JmfI_Ad4Q

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=26&cad=rja&ved= 0CEUQFjAFOBQ&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.pirate4x4.com%2Fforum% 2Farchive%2Findex.php%2Ft-977120.html&ei= tghSUMblJerv0gG2kIA4&usg=AFQjCNGdw0p-C4WOBD1tsYsR3HE5HSTLwA

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=24&cad=rja&ved= 0CDUQFjADOBQ&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.calguns.net% 2Fcalgunforum%2Farchive%2Findex.php%2Ft-163362.html&ei=tghSUMblJerv0gG2kIA4&usg= AFQjCNGhTCN0Dl6b1CNV9J5arQD6H6_REA

And here are a bunch more that reference slide failure, but not apparently the shooter getting whacked by the slide.

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCIQFjAA& url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. waltherforums.com%2Fforum% 2Fp22%2F19573-broken-slide-p22-7.html&ei= HAhSUPT6LcPm0QHj0ICYDQ&usg= AFQjCNGbCgwnc8TgHjN02IJs7Co02U3p-A

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=1&cad=rja&ved= 0CCkQrAIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.waltherforums.com% 2Fforum%2Fp22%2F22620-p22-slide-question.html&ei= HAhSUPT6LcPm0QHj0ICYDQ&usg= AFQjCNFppD6inoqmX0kGoQXWQ1e7KR6spw

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=1&cad=rja&ved= 0CCoQrAIoATAA&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.waltherforums.com% 2Fforum%2Fp22%2F18391-cracked-slide.html&ei= HAhSUPT6LcPm0QHj0ICYDQ&usg= AFQjCNHxrEwv8urMZB7g1VMnXpP4lqkgWQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=1&cad=rja&ved= 0CCsQrAIoAjAA&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.waltherforums.com% 2Fforum%2Fp22%2F16146-p22-crack-slide-others-have-come-apart.html&ei= HAhSUPT6LcPm0QHj0ICYDQ&usg= AFQjCNHQS7jfuMmvuY2gJ2KQW1kHyteBqQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAB& url=http%3A%2F% 2Fthefiringline.com%2Fforums% 2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D172363& ei=HAhSUPT6LcPm0QHj0ICYDQ&usg= AFQjCNHaJ15EyUx_O7sk5LUGAdTq-PFubw

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=2&cad=rja&ved= 0CDkQrAIoATAB&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fthefiringline.com%2Fforums% 2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D429623& ei=HAhSUPT6LcPm0QHj0ICYDQ&usg= AFQjCNHYrKCdHdsBydAsNDjg-hCEFUgOAQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=11&cad=rja&ved=0CG8QFjAK& url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. thehighroad.org%2Farchive%2Findex.php%2Ft-567240.html& ei=HAhSUPT6LcPm0QHj0ICYDQ&usg= AFQjCNE3mFSoj1HqAAVifZ5C8Um7Fe2XBw

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=12&cad=rja&ved=0CHgQFjAL& url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com% 2Farchive%2Ftopic.html%3Fb% 3D5%26f%3D27%26t%3D114106&ei= HAhSUPT6LcPm0QHj0ICYDQ&usg= AFQjCNHmO6xTwemlHnGtnJlg-pyPxpwnGA

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=13&cad=rja&ved=0CH8QFjAM& url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. defensivecarry.com%2Fforum%2Fgeneral-firearm-discussion%2F62913-p22-slide-cracked-another-one.html&ei= HAhSUPT6LcPm0QHj0ICYDQ&usg= AFQjCNGw7MdnbjUSGF1Rploz3pQul6n92A

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=13&cad=rja&ved= 0CCsQFjACOAo&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fgunnuts.net%2F2011%2F11%2F22%2Fsig-mosquito-slide-cracks%2F&ei= hghSUKW9O6fq0gHu7YGAAQ&usg= AFQjCNFZNtaLF5he8Iy1GMAXgDiwAZFnjA

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=16&cad=rja&ved= 0CEAQFjAFOAo&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.saysuncle.com%2F2008% 2F09%2F29%2Fp-22%2F&ei= hghSUKW9O6fq0gHu7YGAAQ&usg= AFQjCNGvWriAiLFIvJeyLt5fy96SN-kotQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa= t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web& cd=10&cad=rja&ved= 0CGwQrAIoAjAJ&url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.waltherforums.com% 2Fforum%2Fp22%2F18612-p22-went-bang.html&ei= 4whSUKvwN46M0QHc14HIAQ&usg= AFQjCNFbbFQ2PaFyt7oA9-SfUj-MnpcMGw

 

[Marcus99]

I'd rank Walther above Glock, and I own both. However I'll let you in to a little known secret, check out Steyr M9 or M40. VERY high quality piece that can be picked up for less than a Walther or Glock.

 

[45collector]

My experience with the PPS was a bit disappointing. The slide stop broke during firing and completely locked the gun down. I had to get it home and completely disassemble it to free it up. I understand there were several issues relating to the slide stop and spring when the PPS first came out, and I'm pretty sure they've remedied it by now. However I will never trust one for a carry gun.

So in a choice between a Walther PPS and my Glock 19, Glock 19 takes it without question.

(In all fairness I did replace the slide stop and spring on my PPS with brand new parts shipped to me from S&W, and I fired a few boxes through the gun just to make sure it was good before I sold it. It was, worked fine. But I still couldn't get past the initial incident so I'm soured on it.)

 

[inerlogic]

My contention was that it is in no way a BMW. It is more like a Pinto.

ok, my P22 is like a 325i and the PPS is like an M3.....

or.... the P22 is like a Jaguar X400, it says Jaguar, but it's really a ford....
and the PPS is like a sexy F-type..

personally, i want a v-12 XKE..... that's a PPK for those trying to keep track......

 

[Nicole]

or.... the P22 is like a Jaguar X400, it says Jaguar, but it's really a ford....

Yes. Like that. But with nifty demonstrations of inertia.

 

[carbuncle]

So when I bought my PPS .40 I had no idea it was basically a Glock knockoff. That being said, I've grown to now appreciate the simplicity of the Glock design, and will be buying a Glock as a second gun (I carry the PPS, but would have the Glock as a range gun).

I've heard mixed things. What do you all think of these two weapons? Has Walther nailed the Glock quality in a slimmer design? Or are they the Fleamarket Gucci of Glocks?

I have G23 and a PPS .40, I think they are equivalent in quality and reliability I my experience. Walther just did what everyone wanted Glock to do: build a single stack Glock 27.

Posted from my busted old G2 on T-mobile's sorry network.

 

[Kahrmine]

I'd rank Walther above Glock, and I own both. However I'll let you in to a little known secret, check out Steyr M9 or M40. VERY high quality piece that can be picked up for less than a Walther or Glock.

Really? Are they mass compliant?

 

[Kahrmine]

I appreciate the P22 suggestion, but I wouldn't practice all the time anyways. I'm a decent shot to begin with, and if I can maintain "combat" accuracy by going to the range once a month that's what I plan to do. I plan to spend more time the first few months I own a particular gun in order to get more comfortable with it, but beyond that I don't see myself going through 600 rounds a month, or anything.

 

[Kahrmine]

I'd rank Walther above Glock, and I own both. However I'll let you in to a little known secret, check out Steyr M9 or M40. VERY high quality piece that can be picked up for less than a Walther or Glock.

Oh, you had to throw something new into the mix, dintcha! ha ha... I found their site and I'm intrigued. They're about $600 new with a couple of magazines and I believe they are indeed Mass compliant. What to do, what to do...

I really love the functionality of the Glock and the PPS, though. They're pretty straightforward to field strip. I don't like a bunch of switches and pins and crap when taking a slide off.

 

[Acme.Armament]

I thought S&W was just the distributor. I've also read that the relationship between the two companies recently ended.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/daniel-zimmerman/walther-splits-smith-wesson-mostly/

Kinda sorta somewhat.
Did you read your entire story you linked to?

Walther and Smith & Wesson will maintain their strategic alliance on several fronts—Smith & Wesson will continue to manufacture the PPK for Walther Arms, Inc. and CARL WALTHER will continue to manufacture the M&P22 handgun for S&W. Additionally, Umarex will continue to license the Smith & Wesson brand for airgun products.

I forgot that Walther is owned by Umarex,

Walther Arms, Inc. will begin operations sharing a corporate campus in Fort Smith, Arkansas with Umarex USA, another company in the PW Group.

From Wiki,

In 1993 the Walther firm was acquired by Umarex of Arnsberg, who continued to manufacture under the Walther name in Ulm and Arnsberg.

 

[Cerfur]

I appreciate the P22 suggestion, but I wouldn't practice all the time anyways. I'm a decent shot to begin with, and if I can maintain "combat" accuracy by going to the range once a month that's what I plan to do. I plan to spend more time the first few months I own a particular gun in order to get more comfortable with it, but beyond that I don't see myself going through 600 rounds a month, or anything.

Also my other suggestion for a range gun was the p99 or ppq Both very high quality... I know they got lost in the shuffle when the p22 was mentioned

I just personally like the fact I can get a brand new and beautiful P99 vs a 15 year old glock!

And Lamborgini is owned buy audi who is owned buy volkswagon... Who really cares?

 

[Marcus99]

I'm not a MA resident so I don't know if you can buy a Steyr M9/M40 new from the dealer. What I can tell you is this; the Steyr was designed from the ground up as a .40 pistol. It handles exceedingly well. Very ergonomic grip with a low bore axis, perhaps the best trigger on any polymer framed gun (it feels like a heavy 1911 trigger), effective sights if you can practice enough with them, and an innovative index finger-tip deactivated safety (if you buy an earlier M40). I love my P99 and Glocks but the Steyr gives them a serious run for their money.

 

[Passthemacs]

Glock trumps the walther PPS. The PPS has a pretty good size following though. I'm not a fan of its aesthetics or feel of the gun that's just me. I can't see walther as high quality BMW no matter how u look at it haha. ymmv.