Whats it worth Kimber Tactical Pro 9mm Ma Compliant

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I'm a noob looking for a 1st gun.

I'm have a large frame and monster hands. I am very interested in 1911 models the whole design just has me SOLD.

But the common caliber of .45ACP not a huge fan of at this particular moment as I would like to shoot it ALLOT [smile] I found on a source that has a Kimber Tactical Pro 9mm that is compliant in mass from an origination mass LEO purchase. 9mm means I can shoot it ALLOT:)

They are asking $1299 for this, I do realize that its Mass you just cant guy buy a new one. I do expect to pay a "premium" for this item. However the recent $100,000 glock thread recently got me wondering am I that noob who is just going to be gouged?

Is this pricetag fair average or outrageous...

I also realize i'm kinda late on the 1911 group buy where I could have custom made a 9mm.....

Thanks in advance for any advice
 
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I've got 3 Kimbers. A 9mm Kimber is rare, but no way I'd pay that much for one. Particularly not for one with that craptastic trigger and rear sight the size of a barn door.
 
I like Kimbers, but don't own any. My 1911's are all Colts, except for my one SVI. 9mm's may be worth a bit more, but that's just way too much for this particular specimen.
 
I own a Kimber Elite Carry... love it.

I'd say the price would be right on (for a 9mm Kimber in MA) if it was stock...

but it looks like that specimen has been smithed.... lots of parts replaced... trigger, sights, slide release lever, mag release, and maybe even the finish on the frame (doesn't look like a factory finish to me - All Kimber Tactical series 1911's have an Anodized Gray frame - the picture makes it look like a Flat Dark Earth?).

This makes me wonder what kind of changes have been made internally.

If that's a factory finish... and nothing's been done to the internals... then I'd definitely consider picking that up at that price. Depends on how badly you want a 9mm Kimber though. They ARE rare. And those external controls can be returned to stock pretty easily.

But if the internals have been messed with as well... then I'd pass.

[grin]
 
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9mm Kimber

If the cost of ammo is your only objection to the .45acp,you might consider a Smith& Wesson which is available in Mass, and a .22 conversion kit from Advantage Arms. Kits are available from other makers but I think the Advantage Arms is the only one that locks the slide back after the last shot.
 
Wow.

Thanks for all the advice and options. Collating all the data i received it sounds like the asking price is overpriced, but if it truly is what I'm looking for then well pay the piper and become a statistic :)

But more importantly to me the comment made about modifications, specifically any possible internal mods, this really is more of a concern at this moment than the price. Its my understanding that external control mods can be converted back to stock or another aftermarket item.

I am not educated in the ways of internal mods I'm guessing that once they have been completed there is no turning back? If true, internal mod's sound like something that if ever done I would want to direct what mods are made vs. the previous owner making a life long decision for me.

Are there certain things one should look for externally to determine if internal mods have been done? If stripping the gun is required to determine internal mods is asking for the gun to be stripped a reasonable request when purchasing a used gun, and any common area's to look at for modifications?

Ammunition cost for the .45ACP caliber is my primary reason for looking for a smaller caliber. I was aware that that .22LR conversion kits were available, however in my NOOB brain for reasons I do not recall thought that would make the gun not mass compliant. I assume my original thought is 100% wrong based that this was suggested from a forum moderator, so far my experience with NES is pretty much stay 100% mass compliant PERIOD. No shades of grey here..

I do understand if you want the real answer look it up yourself in the lawbooks,(where oh where LOL) but my general opinion of the caliber of people responding are not 13yr olds, rather educated firearm owners.

Any experience with these conversion kits? With an overall large gun with a small caliber?

In the WTB forum i was directed to a Colt MK. IV Series '70- 9mm Factory Brl. Excellent Condition, Never Fired.....$1,150 from first defense in uxbridge. Unsure if they still have it as they are closed for the holidays but they reopen saturday.

Oh the options LOL :)

Thanks to all for each and every comment.
 
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Para O makes double stack single action 9mm 1911's that are MA compliant.

I've seen them available at shops in MA new and used.
 
Things to check for when buying a 1911:

- dry fire the trigger. There will be a short amount of slack in the trigger. Then you will feel resistance. Then the hammer will fall and you will feel a very small amount of overtravel. The best triggers have been described as feeling like a glass rod breaking. There is no creep. If the trigger has creep, is overly heavy, etc., it can be fixed. A typical trigger job is relatively inexpensive (say $100) if no parts need to be replaced.

- Check the operation of the safeties. Clear the pistol, push the safety on (up), take a firm grip, depressing the grip safety, and pull the trigger. The hammer should not fall. Now lower the safety, the hammer should not fall when you lower the safety. Now modify your grip on the gun so that you are not depressing the grip safety. Pull the trigger, it should not fall.

- There is a way to check the operation of the disconnector, but most folks won't like you to do that.

- With the slide closed, push down on the top of the barrel hood. It should not move at all. If barrel hood moves when you push down on it, then the barrel has not been properly fitted to the slide and you will have accuracy problems.

- Contrary to the belief of some folks, the fit between the slide and the frame is not critical to the accuracy of a 1911. It can have some slop and still be quite accurate. The two most important contributors to 1911 accuracy are the quality of the barrel and the fit of the barrel to the slide.
 
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In the WTB forum i was directed to a Colt MK. IV Series '70- 9mm Factory Brl. Excellent Condition, Never Fired.....$1,150 from first defense in uxbridge. Unsure if they still have it as they are closed for the holidays but they reopen saturday.
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That's a little pricey, but not by much given the NIB status and 9mm barrel you can't go wrong there. A used series 70 in 45 acp is usually $800. Series 80s are rare in the PRM and they go for ~$900. All prices retail shop and not F2F prices.
 
$1299 is a lot of money to work with. You could pick up a real nice used S&W 1911 and a Sig 9mm for that kind of money.
 
Thanks M1911 for the check list seems like something I could do with very little familiarity.

For the Para guns the Mass Approved list from here

Seems like the PX189S and the "The Hawg" are the only 9mm that show up on para's website However you are correct the Mass list list quite a few. I'm wondering if a trip to say four season's would be worth while to clear up these other models that dont show up on para's website. Four Season has their own list on the web of guns you can buy from Para of which the PX189S is listed. My initial internet research only turned up the Hawg which is not what Im looking for. But new hope is being turned up at every corner with a a few more options other than the initial kimber

You guys are great. At this point I'm feeling like I have options for a 1911 in 9mm,
 
good to see you've done some research.

i didn't want to recommend four seasons because i live in Woburn and shop there frequently....
 
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But more importantly to me the comment made about modifications, specifically any possible internal mods, this really is more of a concern at this moment than the price. Its my understanding that external control mods can be converted back to stock or another aftermarket item.

I am not educated in the ways of internal mods I'm guessing that once they have been completed there is no turning back? If true, internal mod's sound like something that if ever done I would want to direct what mods are made vs. the previous owner making a life long decision for me.

Are there certain things one should look for externally to determine if internal mods have been done? If stripping the gun is required to determine internal mods is asking for the gun to be stripped a reasonable request when purchasing a used gun, and any common area's to look at for modifications?
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Field stripping a gun during a pre-purchase inspection should never be a problem. If the seller is hesitant, then that's your first sign that something might be wrong with the gun. Red Flag.

That being said... I couldn't tell you what to look for, internally, to see what has been changed/modified. A call to Greg Derr or Mike LaRocca would do you good. They are two exceptional gun smiths in MA and will be able to tell you exactly what the tell tale signs of internal modifications are.

And just to make sure... I didn't mean to scare you off from any guns with internal modifications. Most internal modifications are good... as in, they are done to potentially increase reliability in feeding, extracting... or to increase accuracy... or to lighten up the trigger pull and crisp up the break... or a combination of them all.

But did a competent GUNSMITH do the work? Or did Joe Schmo the gun owner try it? If Joe Schmo did the work... I'd pass on the gun. You just don't know what he did... or did WRONG... that could cause problems in the future for you.

So the question is not whether the gun is modified internally or not... but rather, if the gun is modified internally, WHO did the modifications [grin]
 
Nope did'nt get scared about internal mods, very much took the hint of WHO did the mods, as if I did them at this point heck I'd be scared LOL[wink]

Went down to first defense arms today on the lead of a Colt series 70 in 9mm, they no longer had it:( could have called but really wanted to check out the place. Nice people.
 
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the 952 is a nice looking firearm. but is it a 1911 design? it sure looks like one, but to my noob eyes i dont see a grip safety on it?

yea its pricey but your right free state price...
 
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gotcha... did you happen to handle it in a gun shop? If so where about? I got plenty of time on my hands.
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No, it was at the range - the guy had the .45 version as well. They might have one at Smith and Wesson itself (in Springfield).

Post up if you learn more about them. This was really my first, brief exposure to them. Even though I carry a .45 glock (which I love), I've always been tempted by single stack, single action 9mm pistols.
 
I have a Kimber Tactical Pro chambered in .45 acp, and it's very nice. I'm having some feeding issues so it's going back to Kimber in the next few days.

If you're looking for a 1911 chambered in 9mm, take a look at the Smith & Wesson 1911 Pro Series 9mm. It's received some nice reviews, and they are now MA compliant. I only have one distributor who has these in stock. They are tough to get right now. If you're interested, let me know. My price is $1,199 with cash/ check or $1,235 with credit card. Feel free to give me a call or send me an e-mail with any questions
 

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