When did the "Left" become anti-2A?

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Serious question? At what point did the "Left" become anti-2A?

I put Left in quotes because I realize not all Democrats, liberals or progressives are against the RKBA but more often than not they are the ones trying to limit our rights.

For a group that champions other rights, I find it odd that they are hostile to one of our most fundamental rights.

Does anyone know the point in history that gun control became part and parcel of the Left's political message? Perhaps after the Kennedy assassinations?
 

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This is a good question. Seems that both the "left" and "right" are a little inconsistent on some issues of "freedom", i.e. guns, gay marriage, etc.
 
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They became anti-2A when they realized that it's much more difficult to steal from people who are capable of fighting back, and that crime would be much higher if the general public wasn't allowed to have guns. Remember the majority of democrat lawmakers are lawyers. They're just looking out for their own bottom line. They make thousands upon thousands of laws interfering in every aspect of life, and now trying to foster a society where criminals are safe, in order to protect their own careers. They make nothing off of a criminal who gets shot and killed in a lawful act of self defense, especially if the DA decides not to try to prosecute the victim.
 
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Serious question? At what point did the "Left" become anti-2A?

I put Left in quotes because I realize not all Democrats, liberals or progressives are against the RKBA but more often than not they are the ones trying to limit our rights.

For a group that champions other rights, I find it odd that they are hostile to one of our most fundamental rights.

Does anyone know the point in history that gun control became part and parcel of the Left's political message? Perhaps after the Kennedy assassinations?


Very interesting question. I'm also interested in the answer.
 
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They became anti-2A when they realized that it's much more difficult to steal from people who are capable of fighting back, and that crime would be much higher if the general public wasn't allowed to have guns. Remember the majority of democrat lawmakers are lawyers. They're just looking out for their own bottom line. They make thousands upon thousands of laws interfering in every aspect of life, and now trying to foster a society where criminals are safe, in order to protect their own careers. They make nothing off of a criminal who gets shot and killed in a lawful act of self defense, especially if the DA decides not to try to prosecute the victim.


Am I the only one that read the "DA" as double action?
 
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Good question! Maybe most liberals feel that firearm manufacturers contribute more money to conservative causes so they figure banning guns drys up money to conservative candidates...unsure just speculating.
 

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Serious question? At what point did the "Left" become anti-2A?

I put Left in quotes because I realize not all Democrats, liberals or progressives are against the RKBA but more often than not they are the ones trying to limit our rights.

For a group that champions other rights, I find it odd that they are hostile to one of our most fundamental rights.

Does anyone know the point in history that gun control became part and parcel of the Left's political message? Perhaps after the Kennedy assassinations?

I know some old school liberals, as in civil libertarian democrats that are far more pro-RKBA than many republican voting fudd s that I know.

As far as when the current democrats became anti RKBA.. I think it goes hand in hand with "progressive-ism." You can't have 100% centralized government power if you allow the masses the means to resist.

Just IMHO tho, I don't have any cites or facts to back it up.

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Serious question? At what point did the "Left" become anti-2A?

I put Left in quotes because I realize not all Democrats, liberals or progressives are against the RKBA but more often than not they are the ones trying to limit our rights.

For a group that champions other rights, I find it odd that they are hostile to one of our most fundamental rights.

Does anyone know the point in history that gun control became part and parcel of the Left's political message? Perhaps after the Kennedy assassinations?

Kind of like asking when the small government right became big government when controlling people's bedroom behavior and policing the world.
 

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It traces all the way back to the left's unsavory history of racism. Disarming blacks so they couldn't defend themselves: Tahmassebi1

 
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Good question! Maybe most liberals feel that firearm manufacturers contribute more money to conservative causes so they figure banning guns drys up money to conservative candidates...unsure just speculating.
Gun-Control in this country goes back to controlling freed slaves and other out-of-favor groups at various times.

In Europe it goes back long before that in kings disarming peasants...

The bigger problem in asking this question is that "left" and progressive, communist, liberal, socialist eugenicist are all terms that describe more than one group that sometimes intermingled, sometimes were the same, sometimes shared interests and so on.

They are all unified in their attacks on the Comstitution and our Republic-an form of government. Because they all agree someone other than the individual needs to have power, but they don't always agree on exactly who that is.

I think in the modern era, which I will define as post 1960, Democrats as a party have been hostile to 2A because of a combination of assassinations, racism in the party (Klan membership in the inner circles of power in the DNC leading up to the civil rights act) as well as coopting the socialist movement which brought in the naive and idealist "pacifist" and "anti-war" elements.

Political parties are rarely "clean" divisions, more often they are strange bedfellow coalitions. Nothing I have said above excuses the Republican party for its part in gun control, racism and corruption, but one thing the democrat party has long had as a binding common thread is "using the power of the state to change society."

That means that government must be supreme to the individual which takes us back to monarchical rule of Europe and way from our radical Constitution which calls for self-rule, personal sovereignty... The individual sovereign over the state.
 
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Serious question? At what point did the "Left" become anti-2A?

I put Left in quotes because I realize not all Democrats, liberals or progressives are against the RKBA but more often than not they are the ones trying to limit our rights.

For a group that champions other rights, I find it odd that they are hostile to one of our most fundamental rights.

Does anyone know the point in history that gun control became part and parcel of the Left's political message? Perhaps after the Kennedy assassinations?

oh about 1934 or so National Firearms Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .
 
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As far as when the current democrats became anti RKBA.. I think it goes hand in hand with "progressive-ism." You can't have 100% centralized government power if you allow the masses the means to resist.

Yahtzee.

The aim of the Progressive Movement, as I understand it, is to substitute the typical "family" leadership, and by "family" that usually the father, father/mother, or mother, probably in that order, and replace that individual with the state. They see the state as the panecea to all the world's ills.

Wealth inequality is the problem? The answer is the state.
People drinking too much soda? The answer is the state.
Kids not getting a "proper" education? The answer is the state.
Teens getting into trouble? The answer is the state.

So obviously firearms in the hands of private citizens are a problem, considering it's a check against the state.

I think that's what started it.
 

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it changed when the whole political spectrum shifted.

The Left (libs) of the 50's is the Right of today.

The Left today is now what the socialists of the 50's were.

The Right of the 50's doesn't hardly exist today, except in the small 'patriot' groups that the .gov is afraid of.
 
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it changed when the whole political spectrum shifted.

The Left (libs) of the 50's is the Right of today.

The Left today is now what the socialists of the 50's were.

The Right of the 50's doesn't hardly exist today, except in the small 'patriot' groups that the .gov is afraid of.

While I'm not able to prove it, this is pretty much what I think.
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It may not start with them, but I believe the baby boomers are to blame for much of our current precicaments. My mother is a psuedo-hippie and even she has apologized to me for all the stuff her generation effed up for everybody[laugh]
 
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the historical roots of gun control began when the first group of academics realized they couldn't oppress a population that could defend themselves. The Far Left and Progressive part of Liberalism isn't for protecting rights...it's goal is creating dependency on ever expanding government power. Gun Control has nothing to do with public safety as study after study have shown that less guns equals more crime. They simply want another way to break the independent spirit of the American Citizens. Progressives want power, they want a modern aristocracy where they have one set of rules and we live under their approval.

We need to stop fighting gun grabbers on a logical level...they know taking guns off the street makes the streets less safe...they know that it is a fundamental right in the constitution that we have the right to bear arms. They are not ignorant of these things...it's not up to us to educate them...they are well aware. They also know that an armed citizenry is an obstacle to their goals.
 

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Good grief. The reason the left is anti-gun is because they are idealist utopians. They believe in the goodness of the people, that violence can be wished away by the well intentioned.

In other words, they're high.
 
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The "Left" isn't anti-gun - surely you've heard of the Weathermen? The Democrats have favored gun control, but not so much the real Left.
Keeping mind the label confusion and hazards of generalization, as I have said, "the left" isn't really the origin of anti-gun sentiment.

Ironically, it is "progressives" who are actually an expression of the old monarchy and elite (i.e. the ultimate "establishment" and therefore "the right") trying to re-establish their rule through pander to populist claims and causes... They have linked up with "the left" who in their quest for stateless communism are swayed by this pandering as an intermediate step (socialism) to their end, but impossible, goal.

... But before we get excited about the pro-gun "left", the trouble is that their core ideologies are internally inconsistent and as soon as they are in power, this inconsistency expresses itself as violence against dissent. To a large extent, it must to function at all or it would collapse immediately.

Though they may not think so, if you follow thier ideology to its logical and historically demonstrated conclusion, it is more accurately stated as "guns for me and not for thee".

If you want to identify the source of antigun sentiment in our society it is progressives and they exist in both parties and unfortunately, in the primary power structure of both of those parties.

They are the "elite" and sycophants to the same who see the function of government to control the population rather than serve it. A concept in direct conflict with the principles of the founding of this nation. Left, right, union, prayer in school and everything else is just the bread and circus.

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Good grief. The reason the left is anti-gun is because they are idealist utopians. They believe in the goodness of the people, that violence can be wished away by the well intentioned.

In other words, they're high.
That is the funny thing, you have to believe more in the goodness of a stranger to hand him a gun.

I disagree, anti gun lefties usually project their fear and ignorance of firearms on to others more so than believing in their goodness.

They think man needs to evolve to a higher being, I think he's fine the way he is. Not perfect, but left free, pretty darn good.
 
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