Thanks for the insight guys. Any idea what the cost to submit is? I can't imagine they'd need to sell that many guns for it to be profitable.
The cost is the independent drop testing. I expect that is fairly expensive.
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Thanks for the insight guys. Any idea what the cost to submit is? I can't imagine they'd need to sell that many guns for it to be profitable.
Thanks for the insight guys. Any idea what the cost to submit is? I can't imagine they'd need to sell that many guns for it to be profitable.
Has anyone ever successfully convinced a manufacturer to submit a specific SKU for approval to get on the EOPS roster? Nothing specific in mind, but for example, Sig often has several SKU's within one model, but maybe one is supposedly MA approved.
The cost is the independent drop testing. I expect that is fairly expensive.
The cost of an independent lab testing to meet the MGL and CMR. If it is done at the same time as they do it for CA (much of the requirements are the same) it is a marginal cost. My estimate is an additional cost of $5-10K, then they submit the lab report to the MA GCAB for review, who then submits their recommendation to the Secretary of Public Safety.Thanks for the insight guys. Any idea what the cost to submit is? I can't imagine they'd need to sell that many guns for it to be profitable.
Agree, model vs. SKU.You dont want this, you want an approved model not specific sku.
I think it's like 10k per gun for 3 mandatory guns (maybe even 5?). Its way more than what you think it be worth
with respect to this point:
the answer is. they're not "MA compliant" by either the AG''s or EOPS regs, or only by EOPS and not the AG's regs... but it should be noted that "MA compliance" is an issue of dealer transfers and has nothing to do with individual possession or private sale. EG- mere possession of a noncompliant handgun, is NOT a criminal offense. This can't be stated enough, as many in MA improperly use terms like "illegal in MA" or "banned in MA" to describe a handgun which a dealer cannot sell or transfer.
Is there a section of the law I can be steered towards so i can read this for myself, or is it a matter of the law is silent with respect to person to person transfers of non-list handguns? Also, are there any cases where someone was charged with posession of a non-compliant handgun? I'm trying to understand what is a rather confusing regulatory system (similar to Mass landlord tenant law!)
I think this answers my question , but I'd like to clarify it.
There is a pistol Id like to own, a beretta px4 storm.
Its not on the mass approved roster that is on the first page of the thread.
My understanding is, I could buy this in a private sale face to face transaction, but if I involve a dealer to do the transfer, it wouldn't go through due to it not being on the roster?
I think this answers my question , but I'd like to clarify it.
There is a pistol Id like to own, a beretta px4 storm.
Its not on the mass approved roster that is on the first page of the thread.
My understanding is, I could buy this in a private sale face to face transaction, but if I involve a dealer to do the transfer, it wouldn't go through due to it not being on the roster?
That depends upon the dealer.I think this answers my question , but I'd like to clarify it.
There is a pistol Id like to own, a beretta px4 storm.
Its not on the mass approved roster that is on the first page of the thread.
My understanding is, I could buy this in a private sale face to face transaction, but if I involve a dealer to do the transfer, it wouldn't go through due to it not being on the roster?
Thanks for the clarification guys.
If I could, I'd like to ask one more question.
What happens if I'm carrying the px4 and for whatever reason, a police officer finds it on me?
What happens there? Since he won't find it on the roster.
Thanks for the clarification guys.
If I could, I'd like to ask one more question.
What happens if I'm carrying the px4 and for whatever reason, a police officer finds it on me?
What happens there? Since he won't find it on the roster.
Simple, non-PC answer: Don’t be caught doing illegal shit!Thanks for the clarification guys.
If I could, I'd like to ask one more question.
What happens if I'm carrying the px4 and for whatever reason, a police officer finds it on me?
What happens there? Since he won't find it on the roster.
Not a god damned thing.
FFL can't transfer it under the code of merchant regulations (CMR), that's not your problem at that point.
Thanks for the clarification guys.
If I could, I'd like to ask one more question.
What happens if I'm carrying the px4 and for whatever reason, a police officer finds it on me?
What happens there? Since he won't find it on the roster.
The last time a police officer messed with one of my guns is because they happened to be a friend... and I've been pulled over
more times than I almost care to admit (for minor traffic BS).
-Mike
Thats more or less what I meant is getting pulled over for a traffic violation of sorts.
Thanks
Mike is correct: The main objective of the regulations is to confuse and discourage the whole issue of firearms ownership on the part of the only citizens who care about following the law: the law-abiding. This theory is proven by the fact that the AG's office will not answer any questions about the regulations: I know, I've called to inquire, and been told: "We don't answer any questions about the law. If you want questions answered, hire an attorney. We only enforce the law". Contrast this with the BATF. Anyone can call them about any question about federal law, and they will either give you a direct answer or research it for you. In other words, they do what they can to help you comply with the law.
I had an otherwise intelligent person ask me if a school ceases to be a school for gun law purposes when used as a polling place.Having said that I to am astounded at the number of people who have LTC's and do not have even a rudimentary understanding of MA laws and regulations. In fact most of them do not even understand that there are laws (MGL) and regulations (CMR) and they are DIFFERENT things!!! for example why are Glock handguns on the EOPSS approved roster of handguns (LAW - M.G.L. c.140.s.121-131) but I cannot buy one from my local FFL (REGULATION - 501 CMR 16).
Well, two points on that:I was under the impression that (at least in the last 20 years) if you applied for an LTC you needed to complete an approved course that included a section on MA Laws?
My suggestion - Take a course from GOAL. They offer it several times a year. If you belong to a club ask them to contact GOAL and have them come and teach the course. They will do it. We try and have them come to my club every year or so.
I think you missed two items that make your two small potatoesWell, two points on that:
1) The laws & regs here in MA have changed over time (usually not for the better), and,
2) The information offered in said "approved courses" is not always 100% accurate.
Add to that the whole "MassPrudence" thang wherein some instructors make up their own rules (with good intent, but please don't tell people that your suggestions are the law) and is it any wonder that many folks are still confused and about what the law really says.
And the answer is... ???I had an otherwise intelligent person ask me if a school ceases to be a school for gun law purposes when used as a polling place.
Yes, most have no clue about any of the gun laws or regulations. It is why I created my Mass Gun Law by and for Non-Lawyers Seminar and it runs ~7 hours.Having said that I to am astounded at the number of people who have LTC's and do not have even a rudimentary understanding of MA laws and regulations. In fact most of them do not even understand that there are laws (MGL) and regulations (CMR) and they are DIFFERENT things!!! for example why are Glock handguns on the EOPSS approved roster of handguns (LAW - M.G.L. c.140.s.121-131) but I cannot buy one from my local FFL (REGULATION - 501 CMR 16).
I was under the impression that (at least in the last 20 years) if you applied for an LTC you needed to complete an approved course that included a section on MA Laws?
Much of what instructors teach wrt MGL/CMRs is wrong or misleading as they don't really have a grasp on the laws/regs themselves.Well, two points on that:
1) The laws & regs here in MA have changed over time (usually not for the better), and,
2) The information offered in said "approved courses" is not always 100% accurate.
Add to that the whole "MassPrudence" thang wherein some instructors make up their own rules (with good intent, but please don't tell people that your suggestions are the law) and is it any wonder that many folks are still confused and about what the law really says.
Very true on both counts.I think you missed two items that make your two small potatoes
1) Many instructors are lazy/bad/ignorant
2) People are stupid (taking the class and teaching)
I have a customer that just completed a course where they said "All ARs are illegal with detachable magazines. Healey said so. I sell fixed mag lowers, take a look" That was just one example of the ridiculous things that people are told in these courses. Is it any wonder they walk out knowing nothing?
Why? Is the polling place in a school?And the answer is... ???
Funny, but I had to think about that for a second or two last night as I was bringing home my brand new 'tax-free weekend' acquisition when I wondered if I should detour to go vote first. I quickly decided that would not be a very good idea.
It is for sure! And with my (bad) luck, I'd have been arrested in a second and led away in handcuffs with a raincoat over my head while all my neighbors stared, pointed and shook their heads.Why? Is the polling place in a school?
Is it safe to say no matter what anybody teaches you in regards to MA firearms laws, they don't have a full grasp, because MA laws are purposely full of gray areas? Most of the answers to the straightforward questions can be found on GOAL's or Comm2A's websites. I have learned an awful lot in regards to firearms laws and regulations just by reading threads and posts on this site from lawyers, Comm2A reps., and GOAL reps., and then spending the time to further verify if needed.Much of what instructors teach wrt MGL/CMRs is wrong or misleading as they don't really have a grasp on the laws/regs themselves.
I was under the impression that (at least in the last 20 years) if you applied for an LTC you needed to complete an approved course that included a section on MA Laws?
It is a shame that people are afraid to legally leave the gun locked in their trunk.It is for sure! And with my (bad) luck, I'd have been arrested in a second and led away in handcuffs with a raincoat over my head while all my neighbors stared, pointed and shook their heads.
I think I made the right decision to go home first.