$158 .50 BMG Rifle Build

I've used a homemade .50BMG sniper rifle before. There are companies out there that make receivers for the barrels from the Machine Guns. And the MGs are accurate on a point target out to over a mile. So...

Mike
 
dhuze said:
I'm going to say no because you cannot legally just make a firearm. You can apply with the BATFE to make one and you need to pay $200 for the application fee.
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I believe that this is incorrect. I believe that you can build a firearm for personal use only. You may not sell it.
Similar to purchasing an AR receiver raw forging and doing the machine work yourself.

Steve
 
dhuze said:
I'm going to say no because you cannot legally just make a firearm. You can apply with the BATFE to make one and you need to pay $200 for the application fee.
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So very wrong...you can make "all" the non-nfa toys you want for "personal use" with no ATF fee's etc... A number of us here have made our own guns...

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Steve_P said:
I believe that this is incorrect. I believe that you can build a firearm for personal use only. You may not sell it.
Similar to purchasing an AR receiver raw forging and doing the machine work yourself.

Steve
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There actually is nothing prohibbiting you from selling it "eventually" but if it looks like you built it (them) to sell then yes you need a license...
 
Several years ago, I was in the process of making a 20mm single-shot mounted rifle, (tripod)...I bought the barrel and tripod and that's as far as it went. I quickly realized that I did not have the skills to properly make a receiver. I had an idea in mind, but no machine shop around here would touch it. I found a shop in Ohio that would and had done so before actually, (40mm), but could not swing the dough to do it....It was and remains a perfectly legal enterprise to build your own gun....
 
MassMark said:
Several years ago, I was in the process of making a 20mm single-shot mounted rifle, (tripod)...I bought the barrel and tripod and that's as far as it went. I quickly realized that I did not have the skills to properly make a receiver. I had an idea in mind, but no machine shop around here would touch it. I found a shop in Ohio that would and had done so before actually, (40mm), but could not swing the dough to do it....It was and remains a perfectly legal enterprise to build your own gun....
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Do you have any pointers to what the law/regulations are on this?

I am curious as to where the dividing line is between building your own gun - and making one out of parts.

Do you have to make something that is completely your own design? Or do you actually have to manufacture some of the parts yourself?

Yes - you are correct. Evil thoughs are running around in my head.....
 
If your strapped for cash, this one only costs $28.00....

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calsdad said:
...Do you have to make something that is completely your own design? Or do you actually have to manufacture some of the parts yourself?...
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No there is no requirement to make your own design, though you can...(your actually probably better using some one else's approved design, so you don't accidently build something that would be covered by NFA).
I think two of the most common "home builds" are semi AK's and 1919's. You will have to do some work (often machining,welding,etc) , you may not have to "manufacture" parts youself, if by that you mean starting by absolute raw materials (you can buy 80% build kits from various places). I'd say the "easiest" is probably a "screw built" AK, bend a flat, drill some holes, screw it all together and be done, you have built your own gun.

MassMark said:
Several years ago, I was in the process of making a 20mm single-shot mounted rifle...It was and remains a perfectly legal enterprise to build your own gun....
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Just a minor point of clarification, (as I had perviously mentioned) While still perfectly legal to build your own 20mm, that would be a Destructive Device and require proper ATF/NFA approval ($200 tax stamp)prior to the builds completion. Unlike "regular" firearms which you can build with no atf fees/approval, etc.
 
securityboy said:
Just a minor point of clarification, (as I had perviously mentioned) While still perfectly legal to build your own 20mm, that would be a Destructive Device and require proper ATF/NFA approval ($200 tax stamp)prior to the builds completion. Unlike "regular" firearms which you can build with no atf fees/approval, etc.
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I never got that far, but there are folks offering 20mm rifles that are not NFA. I did call the ATF and spoke with an agent for quite some time and he never mentioned anything about needing a tax stamp....I was pretty detailed in what I was building and he thought it was "neat"....Even directed me to a machine shop in Ohio that could complete the receiver. I wasn't going to build anything like this linked below - mine was going to be a breech loading single shot 20mm mounted cannon...The idea that was, but was never to be. The guy who bought the barrel turned it into a couple black powder cannons...

http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm
 
MassMark said:
I never got that far, but there are folks offering 20mm rifles that are not NFA. I did call the ATF and spoke with an agent for quite some time and he never mentioned anything about needing a tax stamp....I was pretty detailed in what I was building and he thought it was "neat"....Even directed me to a machine shop in Ohio that could complete the receiver. I wasn't going to build anything like this linked below - mine was going to be a breech loading single shot 20mm mounted cannon...The idea that was, but was never to be. The guy who bought the barrel turned it into a couple black powder cannons...

http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm
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With the exception of some old "big game" cartridges/rifles, that are specificly exempt from NFA, if it is over .50 cal (and not a shot gun or black powder gun) it is a DD. As you can see the Anzio gun are DD's and it says that on the website, the method of build between yours and thiers may be different, but it would still almost certaily be a DD.. What some one at atf told you, really means nothing, if you want a "legit" ruling you would need to send it down to tech branch (telephone call with local field office or even NFA branch, is not typically sufficant).
 
securityboy said:
So very wrong...you can make "all" the non-nfa toys you want for "personal use" with no ATF fee's etc... A number of us here have made our own guns...

Basicly what he said:

There actually is nothing prohibbiting you from selling it "eventually" but if it looks like you built it (them) to sell then yes you need a license...
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In theory you can make firearms and sell them in the state of NH with a stamp stating "Made in New Hampshire" without any sort of licensing, but again, this is theory, one of those "I'd hate to be the test case" scenarios.
 

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