17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

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[Uzi2]

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I couldn't give a fvck less.

Some people do and some don’t. Any results of that are their own choosing. Fish also don’t know what you’re thinking before you sneeze.

 

[JackOfAllTrades]

count 2 is a supposed journalist who tried to call him out on his rifle handling during a interview.
Anyone who has been in combat or in the military has been swiped by same team , to many people got their panties up about it rifle was most likely on safe anyway.

and the idiot didn't had to chase after them both, WTF did he expect to do, brag some more about how he knows how to handle ar-15's because he has done it many times dumb clown

''edit'' not saying he was swiping people, more like the reporter talking shit

Well, that supposed journalist did a pretty good job in his statement of establishing self defense for the first shooting where the video was lacking.

 

[jeepchute]

That document to me looks like a Christmas gift to the defense.

First, we have 6 counts:

1st degree homicide against Rosenbaum (at the parking lot)
1st degree endangering against McGinnis (reporter)
1st degree homicide against Huber (skateboard)
Attempted 1st degree homicide against Grosskreutz (arm guy)
1st degree endangering safety unknown male
Possession of dangerous weapon by a person under 18.

Under probably cause the go over the statements and evidence they have at the moment. They identify the locations, times, etc. and put the defendant and other parties there.

The fun starts with paragraph six. McGinnis says that Rosenbaum was trying to get the rifle. McGinnis says that Rittenhouse pulled it (the rifle) away, then raised it. He then states "when Rosenbaum was shot, he had leaned in (towards the defendant).

So, there goes count 1. Rittenhouse was pursued and only fired when Rosenbaum tried to take the rifle. Self defense.

Count 2 might stand. It appear to be built entirely on the fact that McGinnis was "behind and slightly to the right of Rosenbaum" and thus endangered when Rosenbaum was shot. I think that is going to be a weak case.

Paragraph nine establishes that Rittenhouse was running away from Rosenbaum, establishes people yelling "get him", "beat him up" and similar verbiage, chase him, and take a swing at him. Rittenhouse then trips.

Paragraph 10 describes the first guy who jumps over him and alleges from the audio that Rittenhouse fired twice at him, missing. That would be the fifth count. Given they have established that he was fleeing, and being pursued by those intent on doing him harm ("beat him up"), I think that self defense comes into play here as well. I think count five will fall.

Huber appears to try to get the gun as well. He tries to pull the gun away from Rittenhouse who fires once (I suspect Huber yanked on the gun pulling the trigger against Rittenhouse's finger but it doesn't matter). So, let's see, Rittenhouse is fleeing, pursued by those trying to harm him, is on the ground, has multiple people on him and one trying to take the rifle. Sounds like self defense again. I think count three will fall as well.

Now we come to Gosskreutz. He pauses when Huber is shot, steps back and puts his hands in the air. Gosskreutz then moves forwards (they gloss over where the pistol came from) and gets shot in the arm. I think the presence of the pistol and that he didn't get shot until he tried to use it make this clear self defense. I think count four will fall as well.

That leaves us with possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18. A misdemeanor. $10k and 9 months max. That assumes it is bargained out, dropped, or tossed out as part of the self defense.

The criminal complain seems to lay out self defense quite obviously. I think this is going to end up being about "endangering McGinnis" and having the rifle at 17. I am not sure that you can make the endangering claim if it is surrounded by a self defense claim. It will be interesting. Anyone know how far out on my calendar to pencil in the riots when he is acquitted on all charges?

I agree with everything you have stated so I was curious about the under 18 thing. Pretty gutsy of a 17 year old, plus, how does a kid go hunting, got to the range with Dad (or Mom) etc...

According to the charge he is in violation of Wis. Statute 940.60(2)(a) which seems pretty clear cut:

Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

However the Statute was amended in 2005 to create Wis. Statute 940.60(3)(c) that has the entire section only apply to Minors carrying a sawed off shot gun or short barreled rifle or in violation of possessing a firearm under the age of 16 outside the specific exclusions allowed for hunting.

I think we can toss this charge as well unless the M&P-15 was cut down and it demonstrates the AG needs to become familiar with Wisconsin gun laws.

 

[Waher]

We Witnessed The Kenosha Shootings. Here’s What Really Happened

The Daily Caller was on the ground during shootings that killed two people and injured one. Here's what we saw.

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[maltc]

I actually think that the video from earlier in the night of the first deceased screaming "come shoot me n****!!" will be in play here, and possibly have a big impact. He was clearly amped up, agitating, and looking for a fight. Was Kyle there? Did he know it was the same person? Important questions. A thought experiment: if this guy was walking around in the hours leading up to his death screaming about how he's gonna split heads, kill someone, bla bla bla, and then in the dark throws an unidentified object at you, would you fear for your life? I would not be surprised if this type of argument is used by the defense.



Fascinating. I think a guilty verdict on all of the 1st degrees is a real stretch. The surfacing video footage before everything went down (Kyle showing his medkit and stating why he was there, helping the rioter with the injured foot) put a premeditated attack narrative in serious question...

All is fascinating....Did not know about the video footage of him helping a rioter... Great to hear to be honest.

 

[drgrant]

That case is going to trial on all counts unless a judge dismisses any of them. Nothing is being bargained away by the prosecution.

I can hear it now..... bog standard moonbat prosecutor/media braying. about how "innocent the victims were....... braying "save the orphans" at every possibility. *facepalm*


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0itEw_D1Ifk

 

[pewpewpew]

All is fascinating....Did not know about the video footage of him helping a rioter... Great to hear to be honest.

Yep, here it is on Twitter:


View: https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1299250471069085696


I guess it's possible this happened after the shooting went down although the odds of that seem slim to none.

And here is the Rosenbaum video:


View: https://twitter.com/CarlaBurlando/status/1299037022095458305

Edited to add:

And here is the third video I referenced:


View: https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1298776265197985799


So, IDK, certainly seems to throw into question a 1st degree anything charge imo.

 

[jhblaze1]

Everything is always good between you and your friends when you're on a morphine drip. Fvck that a**h*** and his friends, I hope he dies of secondary infection and his friends die in the next riot with their skull parted 6 inches in the middle.

100%. I hope he gets MRSA and loses that arm. Hope one of his antifa fag buddies has a molotov cocktail blow up in his face and he dies of a slow burn on the sidewalk. f*** these people. I have no sympathy for them and hope when the time comes, for real, they're showed no f***ing mercy.

 

[Climbnsink]

100%. I hope he gets MRSA and loses that arm. Hope one of his antifa fag buddies has a molotov cocktail blow up in his face and he dies of a slow burn on the sidewalk. f*** these people. I have no sympathy for them and hope when the time comes, for real, they're showed no f***ing mercy.

Slow down we want him to live through the trial. He will be great for the defense. After the trial idgaf what becomes of him.

 

[BrianWilson]

Fish also don’t know what you’re thinking before you sneeze.

I dunno. The ones I been fishin' on the last couple days seems to be one hell of a lot smarter than I.

 

[SpaceCritter]

Yep, here it is on Twitter:


View: https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1299250471069085696


I guess it's possible this happened after the shooting went down although the odds of that seem slim to none.

And here is the Rosenbaum video:


View: https://twitter.com/CarlaBurlando/status/1299037022095458305

Edited to add:

And here is the third video I referenced:


View: https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1298776265197985799


So, IDK, certainly seems to throw into question a 1st degree anything charge imo.

EVERYONE on the "State's" side of this prosecution needs to be doxxed, and they and their families fear for their safety for the rest of their days.

 

[HARRYM]

Ok....I know you are a worthless MA leftist troll from way back......so you can go fvck yourself with a baseball bat as far as I'm concerned.

 

[jhblaze1]

Slow down we want him to live through the trial. He will be great for the defense. After the trial idgaf what becomes of him.

true....defense attorney will have a f***ing field day with that POS on the stand.

 

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[evalance]

Well, that supposed journalist did a pretty good job in his statement of establishing self defense for the first shooting where the video was lacking.

That is indeed correct , and that should pretty much throw out the whole argument, oh this kid just randomly shoot someone

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

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View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FAowBXO0_cw

“Sir, you gotta bone sticking outta your arm.”
“I’m okay, let me just sit here for a minute.”

 

[TZCHRIS]

Ha!!! From Huffpost via Yahoo News. The "victims" were all peace-loving saintly saints.

does anyone know if "go fund me" will allow a $ .02 donation?

 

[FrugalFannie]

Appears to be pro-police and seen on video firing a MSR as a crowd closed in on him. Anyone want to bet how this will play on the news?

17-year-old arrested after 2 killed during unrest in Kenosha

KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — A white, 17-year-old police admirer was arrested Wednesday after two people were shot to death during a third straight night of protests in Kenosha over the police shooting of a Black man, Jacob Blake.

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“And then this guy with this huge gun runs by us in the middle of the street and people are yelling, ‘He shot someone! He shot someone!’ And everyone is trying to fight the guy, chasing him and then he started shooting again.”​

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A witness, Julio Rosas, 24, said that when the gunman stumbled, “two people jumped onto him and there was a struggle for control of his rifle. At that point during the struggle, he just began to fire multiple rounds and that dispersed people near him.”​

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“The rifle was being jerked around in all directions while it was being fired,” Rosas said.​

All other things being equal, who in their right mind will chase someone with a rifle while unarmed?

As well as a kick to the head and an assault with a skateboard. Oh, and a guy with a handgun drawn at the guy on the ground.

 

[SpaceCritter]

true....defense attorney will have a f***ing field day with that POS on the stand.

...AND I'm still optimistic enough to think this kid will, in fact, have his day in court, rather than be found conveniently hanging by something that never should have been there in his holding cell (and probably couldn't hold his weight anyway). A la Epstein (albeit for different motivations) the last thing the Donks want is a fair, regular, and impartial trial for this kid: Facts Would Come Out.

He dies, it goes away. He dies "at his own hand" (apparently): "That's an admission of guilt!"

 

[jhblaze1]

kinda hope Kyle inspires some people to start setting up shop with a sniper rifle over these riots and just start picking off lo

That is indeed correct , and that should pretty much throw out the whole argument, oh this kid just randomly shoot someone

yep..now it's purely he said, she said which simply cannot meet the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Without hinging on the first shooting as being a murder, the second shooting is clearly 100% self defense. No way this kid is going to prison as a first degree murderer.

 

[Dadstoys]

FIP will never happen, because the local courts are already playing political bullshit games.

At the top level there definitely are only two sides..... i don't see anyone from BLM calling for non violent intervention, etc. These people are all commies, dude, if you can't see that you're blind. They had a chance to legitimately open some national dialogue about police brutality but they threw that out the window a long time ago this isn't about that anymore that's just an excuse for them to destroy shit. This isn't about cops, or police brutality, it's "orange man bad" communist/globalist faggotry encapsulated in feel good bullshit for softer leftists to digest easier.

You're right , not unless the heat gets turned up on them for obvious bias.

 

[Dadstoys]

Maybe the Feds will grow a set and go after him and charge him in federal court.. Must be a litany of federal charges available to file on the felon in possession....

I can't find it now , but someone sent me a list of charges and possible sentences for felon in possession in the commission of a crime and the total possible years was around 300.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

I can't find it now , but someone sent me a list of charges and possible sentences for felon in possession in the commission of a crime and the total possible years was around 300.

It’s because he’s a repeat offender of the same exact crime felon with possession of a firearm. Also, he was most likely intoxicated during this and that could further add to the charges since he was also charged with that before as well. It could easy stack charges to an effective life sentence.

 

[fshalor]

And you really don't care that it was a kid?

I know you're a rational guy. You might be a bit too angry at this point. But I don't know you personally.

I care. I also was emphatically telling my wife last night, that the person in those videos couldn't have been the 17 year old kid mentioned by other sources.

It was.

The sequence of events needs to be studied. And we need to learn. Both sides. All sides. Need to look at this objectivly, then subjectively, then from a friggin biblical sense for a few solid minutes.

 

[kevin9]

WRT to the whole crossing state lines crap it should be noted that only shoot-me was apparently from Kenosha, and even he only moved there "within the last year" (spec. to take part in Milwaukee "festivities"??). Ex-shredder was from Silver Lake, WI, about the same distance away as Kyle, who lived just across the nearby state line. Lefty was from further away, West Allis, a suburb of Milwaukee.

 

[Spanz]

The sequence of events needs to be studied. And we need to learn. Both sides. All sides. Need to look at this objectivly, then subjectively, then from a friggin biblical sense for a few solid minutes.

so you are saying GOD Smited the rioters.
got it..

 

[Dadstoys]

Never bring a skateboard to a gunfight:

The 26-year-old man killed in Kenosha shooting tried to protect those around him, his girlfriend says | CNN

Anthony Huber was armed with nothing but his skateboard when he spotted an armed person among a crowded street in Kenosha, Wisconsin, but he still ran toward the danger, his girlfriend says.

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The 26-year-old man killed in Kenosha shooting tried to protect those around him, his girlfriend says


Anthony Huber was armed with nothing but his skateboard when he spotted an armed person among a crowded street in Kenosha, Wisconsin, but he still ran toward the danger, his girlfriend says.
"He pushed me out of the way, like he was telling me to run off, and I tried to grab him," Hannah Gittings told CNN. "I should have been there, but there was going to be no changing his mind."
Huber and his girlfriend were in Kenosha late Tuesday night amid widespread protests following the police shooting of Jacob Blake. Tuesday marked the third night of demonstrations in the city. Just before midnight, officers responded to shots fired. Kenosha police later announced two people had been fatally shot and a third injured. Among the victims was 26-year-old Huber.

Police have named 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse as a suspect in the shooting and he now faces homicide charges as well as a felony charge for attempted homicide. A criminal complaint identified the other victim as Joseph D. Rosenbaum and a third person, Gaige P. Grosskreutz, who was shot in the arm.
Gittings says Huber launched at the armed individual to protect her and the people nearby.
"He did a ... heroic thing."

According to a criminal complaint, Huber reached for the suspect's gun with his hand while holding the skateboard in the other. As Huber tried to grab the gun, the suspect pointed it at his body and fired one round, the complaint says. Huber was seen staggering away and then fell to the ground. He died from his gunshot wound, according to the complaint.
Gittings says Huber was "completely indescribable" and stood by his beliefs and convictions.

"He did not deserve to die," Gittings said. "This kid just snatched any chance for him to have been able to live the life that he deserved to live."

Someone has a promising career as a fiction writer .
Keep trying to spin a fairy tale even though there are multiple videos of what actually went down.
Who you gonna believe , me or your lying eyes ?

 

[one-eyed Jack]

When is his rifle coming up for auction? Jack.