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Lock them up like we used to in the Danvers mental institution.Any infringement is an infringement, but what do we do about the f***ing loonies?
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Lock them up like we used to in the Danvers mental institution.Any infringement is an infringement, but what do we do about the f***ing loonies?
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Most of the teachers I’ve met in MA are die hard lib moonbats who would have a screeching meltdown at the idea of teachers carrying guns. Can’t see that happeningI've always been more of a DADT kind of guy...
In the public high schools, I've had good administrators, bad administrators, and average administrators, and I can't think of a single one who'd stick their neck out far enough to put permission to carry in writing. I can also imagine blowback simply from asking.
It's a delicate issue. It shouldn't be, but it is.
Most of the teachers I’ve met in MA are die hard lib moonbats who would have a screeching meltdown at the idea of teachers carrying guns. Can’t see that happening
Just saying as a stand alone solution, it wouldn’t do much good in liberal states, and with the political state of teachers nationwide, probably wouldn’t move the needle in terms of volunteers as protection or deterrent.Sure, but be fair: I've met a lot more than you have. And I've explicitly discussed carrying in school with many of those.
School shootings are a topic teachers talk about A LOT.
The founding fathers intended well-trained civilian militia to be able to use firearms that could fire one wildly inaccurate round per minute in order to defend the country from foreign invasion, because that was the available tech at the time... I doubt they intended a single teenager to be able to mow down an entire classroom of children with a weapon that can fire several rounds per second.
There is a real solution but it wouldn’t be popular:
Any time a shooter shoots up a school
1) his entire family to two relationship hops are rounded up and held pending results of his trial if he lives and then
2) all rounded up relatives are publicly executed by a firing squad to include volunteer parents of the dead children with the shooter forced to watch (if still alive) and then
3) the shooter is executed last
Families with psychopaths would “fix them” fast themselves before they ever got near a school after a few of these events.
We know that BORTAC elements were there at 12:15 with a shield. Might have been those four, might not have been, but if four BORTAC guys eventually went in successfully at 12:50, then what was stopping them (or their buddies) at 12:15?
I know we don't have an answer, and might never. Because there's no acceptable answer for a forty-minute delay. No way should any of us accept that from any LE agency.
Cops have a huge issue when people “do their job for them”. When they drive out to a scene and find it has already been handled by the community, they start looking for someone to charge with something. Maybe not always, but I’ve seen it enough to know it’s a thing.
I stopped on 24 one late night because a car was smoking on the side of the highway and I didn’t see anyone around. Wound up being an electrical fire under the hood and I put it out with and extinguisher. The owner was standing a bit away because she thought it was going to blow up.
A trooper pulled up and was quite angry that I had the audacity to break the law by stopping on the side of the highway lacking and emergency. Made a bunch of threats and generally gave me shit. This state would be so much better if we disbanded the state police except for the special units.
Uvalde and the Problem of Evil | Frontpage Mag
Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamicwww.frontpagemag.com
Leftists don’t believe in either G-d or free will. And that’s understandable because the one is linked to the other. They inhabit a mechanical world in which society is real and people aren’t. Individual accountability doesn’t exist in the leftist construct of a world where people are just cogs in a machine reacting to social stimuli based on their genes and upbringing.
And controlling the location of inanimate objects will not fix the moral foundations of the soul.
...nor - as I may have mentioned once or thrice before - a Korean problem:...Uvalde and the Problem of Evil | Frontpage Mag
Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamicwww.frontpagemag.com
19 years ago, a middle-aged unemployed taxi driver carrying two milk cartons full of gasoline walked onto a South Korean subway and started a fire that killed 192 people.
That was not a milk carton problem. Nor was it a gasoline problem.
I wonder if Hogg made it to the school on time to claim he was there
Works for me. But there’s also an element of equality of justice here…a demon spawn just executed your children in cold blood…now HIS family will be executed in similar fashion in front of his eyes so he understands (and more importantly other would-be shooters watching understand) that justice will be served, served quickly and served in the same manner and with same horrific effect they wronged others families.That might work in some cases - but in this case the shooter apparently shot his own grandmother FIRST - and didn't have the best relationship with his mother.
So who are you going to take hostage?
I'm a believer in " take the worst case scenario and work your way back from that". Which is why I have mentioned reading the book "Terror At Beslan" here in this thread a number of times. That incident was studied quite carefully by lots of people - including people over here. The Russians let Americans in to see what happened. Stuff like that is why I don't consider the Russians an existential enemy BTW. Because I remember that they did shit like that - as well as warning us about shitbags like the Tsarneav brothers. But I digress.......... Anyway - one of the lessons I remember being emphasized in the book was - there MUST be a QUICK initial response to an attack. You simply cannot let the attacker gain control of the situation. Pretty sure that's military tactics 101 ..... actually.
I'd also revert back to some basic human psychology 101 type shit - which is stuff like "even the most hardened soldier ducks when taking incoming fire". And "most people don't want to die a torturous death". There is some very basic shit that we as a society are getting very very wrong here. "Tolerance" is one thing we're getting wrong. What was it that Scrivener used to say " what you tolerate you support" - or something like that?
In this particular case I would say that this school shooting shit would change if you saw something like the following go down: School shooter invades school , police don't do anything RIGHT away. Well trained militia parents show up within 15 minutes and notice that police aren't doing anything, parents say WTF - do your damn jobs. Police tell parents to stand down or get arrested. Parents immediately shoot police - and then enter building. "Militia" parents somehow extract shooter from building alive . School shooter has unfortunately already killed some children. "Street" justice is enacted and school shooter is tortured to death in the most heinous and brutal way imaginable - and that shit is PUT ON VIDEO for distribution.
Sure - they won't show that shit on the news. But teenage school shooter types have been shown in the past to be pretty adept at trolling the depths of the internet to find content that isn't viewed by "normie" types. So once it hits the news that pissed off parents took the school shooter alive and tortured his ass to death over the shooting of their children - that shit WILL get found by the exact same types of dirtbags who might be thinking of pulling off other school shootings.
And this cannot be a one-off event. The next time there is a school shooting event - the same type of action HAS TO happen again. And again - and again, until they stop.
Look - I see turdbaskets like Ihavecovid trying to claim that we have weapons available to us that weren't available to "the militia" at the time the 2nd amendment was written. He's an idiot - and he's missing the point - but I repeat myself..... Anyway - if you look at the REAL history of that time - what you find is that when Indian tribes attacked towns and settlements and killed people - the militia first defended those settlements and THEN - they trudged off into the woods - and ATTACKED THE INDIANS.
So ...... if you're gonna execute the families of school shooters - I'd suggest you do it AFTER doing all of the stuff I mentioned above. First - defend the schools with a force that will actually CARE and actually DO SOMETHING. Next - torture the attacker so that HE suffers personally for what he did (just getting shot dead isn't enough). And lastly - if you're going to start making family members pay - then maybe give them some sort of trial - and execute them.
I do think you have something of a point about involving the family members , because the brutal truth of this is that what is going on here with a lot of these kids is that their family just throws up their hands and claims no responsibility for their demon spawn and what they do to other people. In some of the worst cases - you'll find the mothers spouting bullshit about how he was "just misunderstood" or "turning his life around". What's needed here is some sort of societal pressure to enforce discipline - coming from the family.
I think if you look back at "traditional" societies - that's where the impetus comes from for inflicting familial shame when family members do societal harm. Responsibility HAS TO start somewhere - and since families raise kids (phuck you Hillary - it's not the village) - responsibility starts with the family.
Works for me. But there’s also an element of equality of justice here…a demon spawn just executed your children in cold blood…now HIS family will be executed in similar fashion in front of his eyes so he understands (and more importantly other would-be shooters watching understand) that justice will be served, served quickly and served in the same manner and with same horrific effect they wronged others families.
Works for me. But there’s also an element of equality of justice here…a demon spawn just executed your children in cold blood…now HIS family will be executed in similar fashion in front of his eyes so he understands (and more importantly other would-be shooters watching understand) that justice will be served, served quickly and served in the same manner and with same horrific effect they wronged others families.
Unfortunately, that's where we're headed.Laws like that are well into SHTF territory. Way into it.
If that's the case theres going to be a lot of bloody infighting in the good guy side.Unfortunately, that's where we're headed.
They're banking on that.If that's the case theres going to be a lot of bloody infighting in the good guy side.
They're banking on that.
we can say NO independently with our votes. We can also say NO with our hard earned money sent to pro 2A organizations and hope they fight these laws with lawsuits.Well written opinion piece
Democrat gun obsession meets reality
When the subject is guns, the left becomes increasingly absurd, hysterical and vicious.www.washingtontimes.com
Its time to just say NO
No more stupid laws
So people with a mental illness through no fault of their own have no inalienable rights? How is it decided and by whom when a mental illness crosses a dangerousness threshold?Lock them up like we used to in the Danvers mental institution.
Works for me. But there’s also an element of equality of justice here…a demon spawn just executed your children in cold blood…now HIS family will be executed in similar fashion in front of his eyes so he understands (and more importantly other would-be shooters watching understand) that justice will be served, served quickly and served in the same manner and with same horrific effect they wronged others families.
So people with a mental illness through no fault of their own have no inalienable rights? How is it decided and by whom when a mental illness crosses a dangerousness threshold?
Playing devil's advocate here.
I don't think people understand what went on in those old institutions. Sure, they had niche uses but in reality they were often no more than prisons for people who hadn't committed crime and who had an extremely hard time getting out.
History has already shown that both law makers and the "experts" can't be trusted with those institutions.
A lot of us do bit there were also a lot of legit nutbags there too. The mental health treatment culture is terrible here, though. Unless someone is demonstrably violent they never get in those places. Even then there are people who only end up under minimal supervision at many facilities. My ex used to work with schizos, at some of those places theyd beat the shit out of her. There were always one or two really dangerous ones. Those kinds of people IMHO are too dangerous to be saying "oh just throw some pills at them". They chickened out and now the rest of us are stuck with the failbus. Those facilities should have been reformed not closed.