22 ARC

[paul73]

dunno if the search is permanently broken, but nothing good really comes up on this.
i just got surprised of how many items gunbroker got in this caliber for ar15 uppers, but, to me it is quite a mystery, of, why, really.
is it really now a #1 coyote round, absolutely way more superior to 5.56?

anybody here owns it and actually uses it for anything even remotely practical, other than shooting paper? just curious, as if there is such an offer, it should be a consumption?

 

[M1911]

Another Gucci round being pushed by Hornady?

 

[paul73]

Another Gucci round being pushed by Hornady?

really dunno. from the specs looks ok-ish, but i do not see any signs of any potential miracles. probably pushes 80gr bullet to 3k fps.
i'm only curious as it is an another varget load, and i`ve got some varget on me.
so trying to figutre it out - may be i do need it, but do not yet know about it? but, it feels mostly like a bogus, to be frank.

 

[lukewarm_fuzz]

22 ARC because 22 Ackley Improved Improved is too wordy.

I think this is a pretty neat little cartridge, if you do put one together be sure to make a thread about it, I’m curious to see how it comes out

 

[paul73]

22 ARC because 22 Ackley Improved Improved is too wordy.

I think this is a pretty neat little cartridge, if you do put one together be sure to make a thread about it, I’m curious to see how it comes out

not sure i will even want to try. really got no use for it, as i only hunt paper these days. that is why i asked if there is anyone here who actually uses it on anything other than paper.
seems like the answer is - no.

i looked it up, redding dies do exist for it, which is good, unprimed brass is at $.80 to $.60 somewhat, and it looks plain stupid compared to literally gallons of spare .223 brass i have now.
i am just at the level of an initial curiosity right now, of why this thing even exists.

 

[PappyM3]

Seems like what 224 Valkrie tried to be. Good option for people who want to shoot high BC .224 bullets, but don’t want to step up to a 22 CM to save barrel life. Don’t think I’d get one, but I can see it’s use for varmints or target shooting.

 

[paul73]

or target shooting.

for that i do not see anything comparable to the 6mm lineup - BR, dasher, etc. 105gr berger hybrids above varget.
i have seen nothing better yet for pure paper fun, as it is so good, it gets boring.

i finally adjusted my loads and now it is all in my own hands trembling and trigger control issues - gun/round is a no issue no more. shoots perfect.
here is last from 300yds, as i finally went over brass and discarded bad samples, all is about release control and more practice now, but as of a caliber - i cannot think of what can top that.
definitely not any 22 arc.

 

[PappyM3]

for that i do not see anything comparable to the 6mm lineup - BR, dasher, etc. 105gr berger hybrids above varget.
i have seen nothing better yet for pure paper fun, as it is so good, it gets boring.

i finally adjusted my loads and now it is all in my own hands trembling and trigger control issues - gun/round is a no issue no more. shoots perfect.
here is last from 300yds, as i finally went over brass and discarded bad samples, all is about release control and more practice now, but as of a caliber - i cannot think of what can top that.
definitely not any 22 arc.

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The 88gr ELD-Ms seem to slightly edge out the 6 ARC in wind resistance. But it’s pretty minor. Definitely don’t see a target draw unless you specifically are looking for a .224 launcher.

 

[Fritz the Cat]

The boys at Vortex Nation Podcast talk about the 22 ARC at length. They really like it.

View: https://youtu.be/PWV4QTnWozw?si=7d39rgSiZQJ-UPwS

Vortex Nation Podcast • #10MinuteTalk - The 22 ARC: Best 22 Centerfire Ever? • Listen on Fountain

Fast, flat, fits in an AR-15, great for long range shooting, an absolute predator pounder, and light recoiling. The 22 ARC lives up to its name of Advanced Rifle Cartridge. So, do you need one? Listen and find out. As always, we want to hear your feedback! Let us know if there are any topics...

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[lukewarm_fuzz]

There’s so many sweet .22 offerings in terms of bullets so I’ll never be mad when they come up with fun new ways to launch them

 

[paul73]

unless you specifically are looking for a .224 launcher.

specifically a semi-auto ar15 upper launcher. hmm.
i doubt it will ever fire as consistent as my MPA 6 dasher bolt rig. and i hate long heavy ar15s, if i gonna get one, it will be a 16" one tops.
which will most likely translate into sub-par mid-range accuracy. nah, stupid idea all in all.

 

[PappyM3]

specifically a semi-auto ar15 upper launcher. hmm.
i doubt it will ever fire as consistent as my MPA 6 dasher bolt rig. and i hate long heavy ar15s, if i gonna get one, it will be a 16" one tops.
which will most likely translate into sub-par mid-range accuracy. nah, stupid idea all in all.

I mean, 22 and 6 ARC work in bolt guns too, and you can bump the pressure up a bit.

 

[LuvDog]

For a bolt action, what would people here choose in 22?

This would be for ringing steel and punching paper.

I was thinking 22CM just because it's easy with factory ammo available, but it doesn't seem very popular with PRS folks because of barrel life

 

[paul73]

For a bolt action, what would people here choose in 22?

nothing?

a bolt .223 is a sentimental thing for most, or if you want to shoot .223 with extra long heavy bullets that do not fit into an ar15 mag.

 

[lukewarm_fuzz]

For a bolt action, what would people here choose in 22?

This would be for ringing steel and punching paper.

I was thinking 22CM just because it's easy with factory ammo available, but it doesn't seem very popular with PRS folks because of barrel life

Run a normal .223, nothing wrong with the old ways! Great barrel life, lots of factory and hand loading options, inexpensive, low recoiling… what’s not to like!

 

[LakeTrout]

How much better are we talking than 77 grain 5.56 in equivalent barrel length? In terms of drop and energy at say 600 yards?

Wondering if it’s worth making the jump

 

[PappyM3]

For a bolt action, what would people here choose in 22?

This would be for ringing steel and punching paper.

I was thinking 22CM just because it's easy with factory ammo available, but it doesn't seem very popular with PRS folks because of barrel life

I’d personally only run a 22 ARC or CM bolt gun if I were using it for hunting. Otherwise, as mentioned, .223/5.56. Might have more wind drift, but that will just make it more fun/challenging. If you’re doing PRS, I’d bump up to 6mm.

 

[PappyM3]

How much better are we talking than 77 grain 5.56 in equivalent barrel length? In terms of drop and energy at say 600 yards?

Wondering if it’s worth making the jump

Very rough numbers. For each row, it is muzzle velocity, and wind drift for a 10mph full value wind at 600 yards.

These 22 ARC are with gas-gun pressures, so bolt guns can see higher velocities.

20” barrel
5.56 73gr ELD-M: 2910 fps | 38” drift
5.56 77gr SMK: 2750 fps | 42” drift
5.56 77gr TMK: 2750 fps | 38” drift

20” barrel
22 ARC 77gr SMK: ~2910 fps | 38” drift
22 ARC 77gr TMK: ~2910 fps | 35” drift
22 ARC 88gr ELD-M: 2700 fps | 27” drift

So, it doesn’t buy you a heck of a lot if you stick with traditional AR bullets. It really only starts to shine when you go with the high-BC bullets that are too long for mag-length 5.56.

Note: the 22 ARC velocities are based off one guy’s posted numbers and the 77gr velocity was interpolated between a recorded 75gr velocity and the 88gr. But, it should give you a rough idea.

 

[paul73]

Very rough numbers. For each row, it is muzzle velocity, and wind drift for a 10mph full value wind at 600 yards.

These 22 ARC are with gas-gun pressures, so bolt guns can see higher velocities.

20” barrel
5.56 73gr ELD-M: 2910 fps | 38” drift
5.56 77gr SMK: 2750 fps | 42” drift
5.56 77gr TMK: 2750 fps | 38” drift

20” barrel
22 ARC 77gr SMK: ~2910 fps | 38” drift
22 ARC 77gr TMK: ~2910 fps | 35” drift
22 ARC 88gr ELD-M: 2700 fps | 27” drift

So, it doesn’t buy you a heck of a lot if you stick with traditional AR bullets. It really only starts to shine when you go with the high-BC bullets that are too long for mag-length 5.56z

those guys here push 75gr 22 arc into above 3K. dunno what it will do to barrels, but, it is made to be capable to be quite fast.

22 ARC vs 223 Remington: New Hot Rod? Or Old Reliable?

Want a flat shooting coyote and varmint cartridge that fits in an AR-15 and can't decide between the 22 ARC vs 223 Rem? The best choice is the

thebiggamehuntingblog.com

speaking of my 6 dasher - i push there 105gr to 2940fps. so, comparable.

 

[PappyM3]

those guys here push 75gr 22 arc into above 3K. dunno what it will do to barrels, but, it is made to be capable to be quite fast.

22 ARC vs 223 Remington: New Hot Rod? Or Old Reliable?

Want a flat shooting coyote and varmint cartridge that fits in an AR-15 and can't decide between the 22 ARC vs 223 Rem? The best choice is the

thebiggamehuntingblog.com

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Yeah, but that’s 24”. I was trying to look at 20” to make it comparable to my 5.56 data. Still, that 18” look to be a little faster than what I found. It’s about the same velocity as the 20” 75gr data I found.

 

[LakeTrout]

Very rough numbers. For each row, it is muzzle velocity, and wind drift for a 10mph full value wind at 600 yards.

These 22 ARC are with gas-gun pressures, so bolt guns can see higher velocities.

20” barrel
5.56 73gr ELD-M: 2910 fps | 38” drift
5.56 77gr SMK: 2750 fps | 42” drift
5.56 77gr TMK: 2750 fps | 38” drift

20” barrel
22 ARC 77gr SMK: ~2910 fps | 38” drift
22 ARC 77gr TMK: ~2910 fps | 35” drift
22 ARC 88gr ELD-M: 2700 fps | 27” drift

So, it doesn’t buy you a heck of a lot if you stick with traditional AR bullets. It really only starts to shine when you go with the high-BC bullets that are too long for mag-length 5.56.

Note: the 22 ARC velocities are based off one guy’s posted numbers and the 77gr velocity was interpolated between a recorded 75gr velocity and the 88gr. But, it should give you a rough idea.

Ah, I see. I think it probably doesn’t make sense for me to go down the 22 ARC path based on these numbers alone. That’s not to say it’s not better. Just not by enough probably for most people to make the switch.