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Looks like they are up on murder charges. ::high five::
Looks like they are up on murder charges. ::high five::
It looks like for once, the system got it right esp if there was a sergeant on the scene. I don't know to what extent their trainers should be held responsible, we'll see how that plays out.
Mark L.
Their trainers should be up on the same charges.
Their trainers should be up on the same charges.
My guess: When it comes to the trial, it will be pointed out that in a "Post 9/11 world" the public should know that the police are in no mood for arguement ( and rightly so....terrorists are known for OUI, jet skis in yards and going home) and that anything less than instant compliance is unpatriotic, at least....
The thought of the brave Protectors of the Public having been in danger will sway the jury....
Their trainers should be up on the same charges.
So if someone takes one of my courses and later does something stupid, including things I specifically said are illegal/dangerous, I should go to jail for their actions? -Brilliant.
So if someone takes one of my courses and later does something stupid, including things I specifically said are illegal/dangerous, I should go to jail for their actions? -Brilliant.
You're training civilians in courses....no?
Slightly different than law enforcement. That's their job. Oath. You know?
If you told them not to do it, and they do it, not your problem.
I can almost guarantee the police instructor made no such distinction. "If the subject resists, he is doing something wrong, bust in"....that's probably more like it.
So no, don't put yourself into that category, you'll be insulting yourself, you probably have a much more profound understanding of the law than the amateurs down at the academy. And if anyone wants to flame me for that, go right ahead, you need to look no further than the example provided in this thread....and now someone is dead, good job academy. Your jackboot mentality has killed another person, not a dog, because you're training all cops to be psychotic jacked up wannabe operators hellbent on burning the constitution and anyone that opposes their "authority"...and I'm talking about the new generation of them. The old school guys still have respect for the job, the new guys...from what I see....look like they are ready to invade poland...and then france.
Not a pretty picture emerging here. ....
What mechanism had the founding fathers provided for us to take back our country from these thugs?
Unless the trainers specifically taught him to go shoot drunk drivers after busting in the door, I have to agree with everyone else, the guy who pulled the trigger = responsible.
Completely agreed. However I think that quite a few of the academys are not longer producing policemen...they are producing tactical law enforcement officers. Very different....and for that I think they should be held to the fire just as much to make an example and take these head cases down a notch. We need policemen, people who uphold the constitution and the law of the land....we don't need stormtroopers. I'm sure we can all agree the direction a lot of these forces are going isn't a road we want to see the end of...they are getting downright scary....and it's no longer isolated incidents.
For the record, I don't hate cops, policemen, detectives....
I do however hate these tactical tammys running around giving the good guys a bad name. I do my fair share of bashing, but for good reason...these instances aren't slowing down, they are happening more and more.
Maybe you missed the fact that these cops were indicted by a Grand Jury? Regular citizens handed down these indictments based on evidence presented to them by the State Attorney.My guess: When it comes to the trial, it will be pointed out that in a "Post 9/11 world" the public should know that the police are in no mood for arguement ( and rightly so....terrorists are known for OUI, jet skis in yards and going home) and that anything less than instant compliance is unpatriotic, at least....
The thought of the brave Protectors of the Public having been in danger will sway the jury....
That's a slippery slope IMO. While the military follows the axiom "you fight like you are trained"...I think holding instructors liable is making the cops who actually allegedly murdered the victim "victims" themselves. If I were an NRA Mass qualified instructor and later one of my former students shoots someone because they used poor judgment, then why should I be held accountable ? or "Gee, I accidentally hit the other car because my driver's ed teacher didn't train me well enough."
I suppose that the defense the trainer's can offer are their lesson plans and test scores and demonstrate that their instruction was in accordance with the law. I suppose they could also argue that none of their other students have been indicted on these charges...On the other hand if some of their other students have been indicted on these charges, then they should be indicted.
The cops f***ed up and so did the supervisor, but how anyone not at the scene can be held responsible is a stretch.
"Oh gee, I'm a bad cop 'cuz I was trained that way" (might be true in some very rare cases) is a stretch IMO.
Mark L.
The MPTC curriculum is largely controlled by the MCOPA and a MPTC training committee.
It isn't controlled by individual PDs/towns.