ACR and SCAR legit piston guns?

[NuCentMAn]

I'm about ready to take the training wheels off and trade in my fisher price "my first AR" and step up to a more quality carbine. I'm liking the piston concept, shot a bunch of piston guns but haven't yet shot the new space guns. In the humble yet informed opinions of the NES AR jury, should these rifles be in the same category as LWRC or LMT, or even top quality DI carbines such as DD, Spikes, Colt, and Noveske?

P.S. loving the LWRC M6A2 and A3, leaning that way right now, just don't know if ACR and Scar deserve some conideration. Will just be using it for range play and random woods fun in the northern states, if OK to use autos may take a stab at coyote season somewhere, but I really like the fact that the barrells are meant to last much longer than DI guns and the values stay very steady.

Thanks

 

[WaldoOneFive]

ACR and SCAR legit piston guns?

Yes, they are.

 

[Mass-diver]

I'd buy a SCAR in heartbeat if i didn't live in MA. I run a noveske and BCM ARs right now and from my research the SCAR is on that level.

I just can't bear the thought or neutering it for MA But if (?when) the MA AWB is overturned this would be my first purchase.

Here's a pic I pulled off the net. This is a weapon that is being in harms way now.

 

[NuCentMAn]

I'd buy a SCAR in heartbeat if i didn't live in MA. I run a noveske and BCM ARs right now and from my research the SCAR is on that level.

I just can't bear the thought or neutering it for MA But if (?when) the MA AWB is overturned this would be my first purchase.

I was shooting the breeze with a certain MA dealer and he told me he could get SCARs shipped with a MA compliant break, and could pin and fix stock so that it does not collapse or fold and wouldn't be horendous if I ever moved to a free state, or the ban got put to bed or modified, or just buy a new stock because it comes off in one piece when taken down, just not sure it's worth that trouble...

 

[WaldoOneFive]

I was shooting the breeze with a certain MA dealer and he told me he could get SCARs shipped with a MA compliant break, and could pin and fix stock so that it does not collapse or fold and wouldn't be horendous if I ever moved to a free state, or the ban got put to bed or modified, or just buy a new stock because it comes off in one piece when taken down, just not sure it's worth that trouble...

I hear ya on that. Whether or not those extra steps are worth the trouble or not all depends on the "how bad you want it" factor.

 

[abomb60]

I have an ACR and love it. I bought that rather than a SCAR due to its modularity and promise of caliber conversions in the future. After shooting both i thought it was a superior platform to the SCAR. The scar is more of an evolution of the AR platform where the ACR is completely revolutionary and will define what the future combat rifle should be.

 

[Youradolt]

I have an ACR and love it. I bought that rather than a SCAR due to its modularity and promise of caliber conversions in the future. After shooting both i thought it was a superior platform to the SCAR. The scar is more of an evolution of the AR platform where the ACR is completely revolutionary and will define what the future combat rifle should be.

I also have a Acr and you said you want to do coyote hunting will my gun is coyote brown

 

[NuCentMAn]

I have an ACR and love it.

I also have a Acr

Do either of you have a frame of reference to compare to LWRCI, or LMT piston guns?

 

[glide]

I was shooting the breeze with a certain MA dealer and he told me he could get SCARs shipped with a MA compliant break, and could pin and fix stock so that it does not collapse or fold and wouldn't be horendous if I ever moved to a free state, or the ban got put to bed or modified, or just buy a new stock because it comes off in one piece when taken down, just not sure it's worth that trouble...

The SCAR already comes with a MA compliant brake. It just needs to be pinned.

 

[NuCentMAn]

you said you want to do coyote hunting will my gun is coyote brown

Your not worried about the basic black coming after your rifle in season?

 

[Youradolt]

Do either of you have a frame of reference to compare to LWRCI, or LMT piston guns?

LMT OR the LWRC is going to be my next Ar Both are great rifles but are still Ar15's Where the Acr is new from the ground up I have not had much Trigger time behind it yet to give a full review. One of the biggest things is the side folding stock which is a no go for mass And at some point the abilty to do a caliber swap with just a few parts will be nice Im looking forward to having a 7.62*39 Acr

 

[Youradolt]

Your not worried about the basic black coming after your rifle in season?

haha

 

[burnedtolfe]

I love my ACR, Scar is also a really cool gun and i wouldn't mind grabbing a 17s. Not a fan of the stock on the scar or the reciprocating bolt handle though. Both weapons can be found or shipped to MA without too much effort, I believe they are actually selling a MA compliant ACR now. Ive also owned a lwrc m6a3 for a short while, which was also a great rifle, its a completely different platform so the controls are a little diff than the AR, just preference really. I decided to get one just to have something different.

 

[abomb60]

Do either of you have a frame of reference to compare to LWRCI, or LMT piston guns?

My only experience with AR piston guns is with POF-USA. Which according to most are at the same level as LWRCI/LMT.

In the end the AR platform is a fantastic weapon and has served quite well in combat for far longer than most. However it is still a 60 year old design and we're coming to the end of the road for improvements to the platform. The SCAR and ACR were designed to be the next generation. At least with the ACR they took the good things about the AR and fixed the bad. That means you can change barrels in seconds (SCAR takes a few minutes and a torque wrench), change out stocks and perform caliber conversions w/o the need for tools. I don't think you can go wrong with either a SCAR, ACR or good piston AR (POF, LMT, LWRCI, etc).

 

[vellnueve]

What's a "legit piston gun"?

 

[NuCentMAn]

What's a "legit piston gun"?

High quality, non-passing fancy, worth the money their asking for it. Price point similar to already established piston rifles, on par with those rifles? Legit.

 

[flintoid]

High quality, non-passing fancy, worth the money their asking for it. Price point similar to already established piston rifles, on par with those rifles? Legit.

AK47, you mean.

 

[NuCentMAn]

AK47, you mean.

Test drove a couple of those too, I prefer the way the domestics handle.

 

[glide]

worth the money their asking for it

You can cross the ACR off the list then.

 

[M1911]

High quality, non-passing fancy, worth the money their asking for it. Price point similar to already established piston rifles, on par with those rifles? Legit.

Well, I'm looking for an illegitimate piston rifle.

"Legit?"

Give me a #$!! break. Texting is ruining our nation.

 

[abomb60]

You can cross the ACR off the list then.

There is an MA-compliant ACR in the classifieds for $1500. Thats definately worth it.

 

[WaldoOneFive]

Well, I'm looking for an illegitimate piston rifle.

"Legit?"

Give me a #$!! break. Texting is ruining our nation.

I think he only used "legit" to answer the question the OP asked: "ACR and SCAR legit piston guns?"

 

[M1911]

I think he only used "legit" to answer the question the OP asked: "ACR and SCAR legit piston guns?"

That was the OP.

 

[NuCentMAn]

Well, I'm looking for an illegitimate piston rifle.

"Legit?"

Give me a #$!! break. Texting is ruining our nation.

Not sure what you have a problem with, my choice of adjectives or the fact that I abbreviated it? Also not sure of the relationship to texting? Then finally, considering all of the ills of our society today and since its commencement, and your going with texting...OK

 

[WaldoOneFive]

That was the OP.

ROFL! +1 Good look. My fail.

Yea, now it IS that bad, he used it twice!

 

[beaker]

ACR is a nice rifle.

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[M1911]

Not sure what you have a problem with, my choice of adjectives or the fact that I abbreviated it?

What does the slang term "legitimate" mean when talking about a firearm? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. If you wanted to ask about the rifles, then make some sense when doing so. Is the rifle reliable? Is the rifle accurate? How are the ergonomics? How does it balance? How is the length of pull?

But "legit?" What the heck does "legit" have to do with a rifle? The definition of the word "legitimate:"

le·git·i·mate
   /adj., n. lɪˈdʒɪtəmɪt; v. lɪˈdʒɪtəˌmeɪt/ Show Spelled [adj., n. li-jit-uh-mit; v. li-jit-uh-meyt] Show IPA adjective, verb, -mat·ed, -mat·ing, noun
–adjective
1. according to law; lawful: the property's legitimate owner.
2. in accordance with established rules, principles, or standards.
3. born in wedlock or of legally married parents: legitimate children.
4. in accordance with the laws of reasoning; logically inferable; logical: a legitimate conclusion.
5. resting on or ruling by the principle of hereditary right: a legitimate sovereign.
6. not spurious or unjustified; genuine: It was a legitimate complaint.
7. of the normal or regular type or kind.

 

[flintoid]

7. of the normal or regular type or kind.

Are the ACR and SCAR of the normal or regular type of piston guns? I'd say no- if you were to go by numbers as a qualifier as to what is "normal" in the firearms world, I believe there have been possibly millions more AK or AKM variants built than the ACR and SCAR.

So no. The ACR and SCAR are NOT legitimate gas piston rifles. They are illegitimate.

3. born in wedlock or of legally married parents: legitimate children.

My crappy AKs were born from the wedlock of me, copious amounts of booze, and my lonely dark basement. A Ménage à trois, if you will.

 

[NuCentMAn]

Is the rifle reliable? Is the rifle accurate? How are the ergonomics? How does it balance? How is the length of pull?

I'm not looking to find out any of those things at this time, my question essentially is whether or not the ACR or SCAR are on par with the predominant piston system rifles in the market, namely LWRCI and LMT, and if the collective opinion was that they are then I respect those offering their opinions enough to use them in my decision making.

The point seems to be getting across because I'm getting feedback, so no complaints there. Aside from this little semantic debate I'm satisfied with the info that this thread has yielded. Thank you for posting the definition also, numbers 2 and 7 illustrate the use of the word I was going for, think of it as a reach if you like, but I feel it works.

Kinda feel like there's more than just a disagreement on the vernacular at play here.

 

[M1911]

I'm not looking to find out any of those things at this time, my question essentially is whether or not the ACR or SCAR are on par with the predominant piston system rifles in the market, namely LWRCI and LMT

Really? So you don't care about whether they are reliable, accurate, ergonomic or balanced? How would they be "on par with" AR15 piston rifles without considering those issues? How could those issues not be important if you are asking whether they are:

High quality, non-passing fancy, worth the money their asking for it.

I haven't handled a SCAR or ACR, so I don't have any opinion on them beyond what I've read.

Kinda feel like there's more than just a disagreement on the vernacular at play here.

It's obnoxious, meaningless vernacular that hinders communication. Hold yourself to a higher standard.