AK-47 - The Movie!!

[calsdad]

The STG 44 and AK-47 almost have nothing in common besides being assault rifles. The AK stole more from the M1 Garand than the STG 44. And even then it isn't a blatant copy as the AK is magazine fed, easier to field strip and has different sights etc.

Rifle Paternity Test: Pinning Down The M1 Garand's Influence On The AK -

What rifle influenced Kalashnikov’s famous carbine design more, the Garand M1, or the Haenel MP 43? This question was broached by blogger Jeff of TwistRate in a video posted to the Full30 gun video hosting website recently. Readers can follow the link to watch that video before reading my...

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The one thing I've heard which seems plausible though I have no evidence is that the Soviets used Nazi engineers to help the with the stamping technology for the AKM as they Soviets only had experience making stamped SMGs while the Nazis stamped the STG 44, MG 42 and parts for the K98.

Not every German was a Nazi you know.

Or do you?

 

[BishopofBling]

Not every German was a Nazi you know.

Or do you?

I don't really see how that matters

 

[cathouse01]

Eugene Stoner ripped off Melvin Johnson!!

I wouldn’t say “ripped off”. Armalite acknowledged using Johnson’s patents and even hired him as a consultant to promote the AR10/AR15 rifles that used his bolt design.

 

[calsdad]

I don't really see how that matters

Because you described them as "Nazi engineers" - that's why.

You're ignorant of history - and what really happened there.

FDR got us involved in WW2 - does that make military from the US into "Democrat soldiers" ?

 

[calsdad]

I wouldn’t say “ripped off”. Armalite acknowledged using Johnson’s patents and even hired him as a consultant to promote the AR10/AR15 rifles that used his bolt design.

I was being a bit sarcastic. The previous guy who pointed out that there isn't much that is completely original in firearm design - is correct. I also figured most people have no clue that Johnson had any connection whatsoever to AR development.

 

[BishopofBling]

Because you described them as "Nazi engineers" - that's why.

You're ignorant of history - and what really happened there.

FDR got us involved in WW2 - does that make military from the US into "Democrat soldiers" ?

Jesus Christ this is such a non-issue, this is probably the dumbest thing to bring up, are you really going to argue about semantics right now?

Okay, the "German engineers" lmao like it matters.

Do you also do the same thing when someone say the Communist designed AK? Because you know, not all of the engineers were true believers in Communism.

Do you ever call the Soviets the Reds or Communist forces when referring to their soldiers? Because not all of them were rank and file Communists.

 

[apander]

If that movie was being made in the US in 2021 - Kalashnikov would be a lesbian black woman.

You forgot the Tranny part like...Black Tranny Lesbian woman.

 

[calsdad]

You forgot the Tranny part like...Black Tranny Lesbian woman.

LOL.

If you do enough surgery do you end up back where you started?

 

[apander]

LOL.

If you do enough surgery do you end up back where you started?

Yes, did I forget the Black Lesbo woman used to be a man. I have a real life story on this except he/she was white.

 

[cathouse01]

I was being a bit sarcastic. The previous guy who pointed out that there isn't much that is completely original in firearm design - is correct. I also figured most people have no clue that Johnson had any connection whatsoever to AR development.

The only reason I’m familiar with Johnson is back in the early ‘70s my brother owned a Johnson M1941 semi-auto. He (my brother) claimed it was much better than the M1 and should have been the Army’s battle rifle. I just remember that one of the issues was mounting a bayonet on it due to the reciprocating barrel. He unfortunately sold it when he had his first child. I last saw one sell on Rock Island Action for $10,350. I think he paid about $65 when he bought it. We use to call it the pregnant whale.

 

[calsdad]

The only reason I’m familiar with Johnson is back in the early ‘70s my brother owned a Johnson M1941 semi-auto. He (my brother) claimed it was much better than the M1 and should have been the Army’s battle rifle. I just remember that one of the issues was mounting a bayonet on it due to the reciprocating barrel. He unfortunately sold it when he had his first child. I last saw one sell on Rock Island Action for $10,350. I think he paid about $65 when he bought it. We use to call it the pregnant whale.

I bought a Johnson rifle about 10 years ago. It was unfortunately sporterized, when I get the time and money - I need to find a good gunsmith who can restore it back to the military configuration. From reading the history - my takeaway was that Johnson had two main problems in making the 1941 the main battle rifle: first was that he came late to the show. The Army had been using the Garand since something like 1936, and was fully engaged with making the Garand it's main battle rifle already when Johnson got them to look at his 1941. The other problem was that bayonet thing you mentioned. I don't think the Army started relegating bayonet capability to a secondary concern until somewhere in the 1980s.

One thing I didn't remember - was that Johnson was born in Boston - and is buried at Mt. Auburn cemetery:

Melvin Johnson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[cathouse01]

I bought a Johnson rifle about 10 years ago. It was unfortunately sporterized, when I get the time and money - I need to find a good gunsmith who can restore it back to the military configuration. From reading the history - my takeaway was that Johnson had two main problems in making the 1941 the main battle rifle: first was that he came late to the show. The Army had been using the Garand since something like 1936, and was fully engaged with making the Garand it's main battle rifle already when Johnson got them to look at his 1941. The other problem was that bayonet thing you mentioned. I don't think the Army started relegating bayonet capability to a secondary concern until somewhere in the 1980s.

One thing I didn't remember - was that Johnson was born in Boston - and is buried at Mt. Auburn cemetery:

Melvin Johnson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I believe another issue was the vertical stringing that they were never able to completely eliminate. I know my brother’s rifle exhibited it. The nice thing about them are that they are 10+1 rounds instead of the M1’s 7+1 and they are easy to recharge using single rounds or the standard 1903 stripper clip. I looked into getting one a couple of years ago, but by then they had skyrocketed in price. So I assuaged my desire for a short recoil high powered rifle with a Barrett M82A1. When you really look at it, the Barrett is a Johnson M1941 on steroids.

 

[Broc]

It is like 20% truth and 80% shameless propaganda. Truth is always complex and unpleasant.

So, its not different than the crap Hollywood produces, except this is entertaining and they put more effort.

Russians are stepping up.

T-34 was great.
Looking forward to AK47.

AR owners gonna hate.

 

[paul73]

So, its not different than the crap Hollywood produces, except this is entertaining and they put more effort.

Russians are stepping up.

T-34 was great.
Looking forward to AK47.

AR owners gonna hate.

You should read ‘icebreaker’ by victor suvorov.
The situation with Soviets not having a proper tank I believe was due to a plan to use German factories for heavy machinery production during simultaneous assault of Soviet and nazi forces on Europe.

What happened between those 2 spiders and why they have turned on each other no one will know but we all must be very happy and grateful as otherwise world would be very different today.

 

[paul73]

The part I hate about Putin’s propaganda the most - hitler got a universal condemnation but stalin who butchered way way more people and de-facto nursed nazi regime to existence- it all gets simply forgotten or, turned upside down.

 

[calsdad]

You should read ‘icebreaker’ by victor suvorov.
The situation with Soviets not having a proper tank I believe was due to a plan to use German factories for heavy machinery production during simultaneous assault of Soviet and nazi forces on Europe.

What happened between those 2 spiders and why they have turned on each other no one will know but we all must be very happy and grateful as otherwise world would be very different today.

Huh.

That's a theory I've never heard before. Nazis and Soviets cooperating to take out Europe? I've heard of Suvorov's book - and haven't read it, but from what I understand about his book's assertions the Soviets were preparing for an invasion of Europe - and the German's Operation Barbarossa was a pre-emptive strike against that planned invasion.

I don't think there is any love lost between National Socialists - and commies. I know there was some military cooperation between the Soviets and the Nazis during the 30s - where the Russians allowed German military to train in Russia and avoid scrutiny under the Versaille Treaty, and I know they cooperated in invading Poland - but the Polish invasion specifically I think - in light of what happened later could be seen as a "keep your enemy closer" type of event IMHO.

The commies in general were pretty clear about their ideology being a globalist one - and both before and after WW2 it's pretty obvious that the commies used every opportunity that presented itself to further those ambitions. The early history of the Nazis is pretty clear as well I think - they were opposed to commies. Even though they were socialists - they were nationalists first. Seems like that is what has driven the hate that the commie/radical left has had for Nazis since their inception and up until the present day.

Quite frankly I think what happened to Trump during his time in office should be instructive as to why we've been subject to decades and decades of Nazi hate - which has been generated by the left wing in this country and others. They simply hate with a religious fervor anything or anybody that shows them up to be full of shit. Trump did it - and so did the Nazis.

 

[calsdad]

The part I hate about Putin’s propaganda the most - hitler got a universal condemnation but stalin who butchered way way more people and de-facto nursed nazi regime to existence- it all gets simply forgotten or, turned upside down.

Completely ignoring all of the Soviet butchering of people - is due to that commie religious fervor I referred to above. The behavior of the radical lefties in this country over the last 4-5 years is due to the exact same kind of religious hate / refusal to acknowledge their own crimes thing - that gave us something like 85 years of biased Nazi hate from the left. While just simply refusing to acknowledge their own far worse crimes against humanity.

 

[rep308]

I bought a Johnson rifle about 10 years ago. It was unfortunately sporterized, when I get the time and money - I need to find a good gunsmith who can restore it back to the military configuration. From reading the history - my takeaway was that Johnson had two main problems in making the 1941 the main battle rifle: first was that he came late to the show. The Army had been using the Garand since something like 1936, and was fully engaged with making the Garand it's main battle rifle already when Johnson got them to look at his 1941. The other problem was that bayonet thing you mentioned. I don't think the Army started relegating bayonet capability to a secondary concern until somewhere in the 1980s.

One thing I didn't remember - was that Johnson was born in Boston - and is buried at Mt. Auburn cemetery:

Melvin Johnson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

@calsdad

you will want to watch this, Mark works on a Johnson and you get to see all the little bits:

 

[calsdad]

@calsdad

you will want to watch this, Mark works on a Johnson and you get to see all the little bits:

Thanks! I was just watching that. He really does a good job with that video.

 

[AHM]

One thing I didn't remember - was that Johnson was born in Boston - and is buried at Mt. Auburn cemetery:

To wit:

Melvin Maynard Johnson Jr. (1909-1965) - Find a...

www.findagrave.com

His wife only stopped coming down for breakfast in 2008:

Virginia Bingham Rice Johnson (1911-2008) - Find...

Virginia Bingham Rice Johnson of New Haven, 100 York St., University Towers, died on January 22, 2008. She was born in Winchester, MA on March 14, 1911, the daughter of Edward Eggleston Rice and Carrie Bingham Rice. Mr. Rice, a summa cum laude graduate of Harvard, was a pioneer of group...

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[calsdad]

To wit:

Melvin Maynard Johnson Jr. (1909-1965) - Find a...

www.findagrave.com

His wife only stopped coming down for breakfast in 2008:

Virginia Bingham Rice Johnson (1911-2008) - Find...

Virginia Bingham Rice Johnson of New Haven, 100 York St., University Towers, died on January 22, 2008. She was born in Winchester, MA on March 14, 1911, the daughter of Edward Eggleston Rice and Carrie Bingham Rice. Mr. Rice, a summa cum laude graduate of Harvard, was a pioneer of group...

www.findagrave.com

Interesting - looks like Melvin Johnson is buried in Rice (wife's) family plot.....