How about teachers being allowed to carry now? Or should we just let "gun free zones" continue to kill innocents?![[rolleyes]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/042.gif "Roll Eyes [rolleyes]")
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300839,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300839,00.html
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Another School shooting
- Thread starter Mikey
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I've been updating a post at THR regularly as details are released.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=308396
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=308396
No, it couldn't have been that near either, since we've got that federal GFSZ law (passed essentially unchanged again after having been declared unconstitutional the first time) to protect everybody within 1,000 feet of any school.
Ken
stupid f***ing a**h*** kid....
what the hell is wrong with these f***ing stupid ass kids. Kids never did this shit when I was in school.
freakin parents need to bring these a**h*** kids up better....
damn this pisses me off.. At least the little ass hole is dead....![[frown]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/003.gif "Frown [frown]")
what the hell is wrong with these f***ing stupid ass kids. Kids never did this shit when I was in school.
freakin parents need to bring these a**h*** kids up better....
damn this pisses me off.. At least the little ass hole is dead....
stupid f***ing a**h*** kid....
what the hell is wrong with these f***ing stupid ass kids. Kids never did this shit when I was in school.
freakin parents need to bring these a**h*** kids up better....
damn this pisses me off.. At least the little ass hole is dead....
It cracks me up that you used the phrase "freakin" parents.
yeah I guess I am sorry for venting so much...
man this just bugs the crap out of me when this happens.
man how do these kids get to this point???
I used to get in fights and I even got suspended once. Never did I even consider doing something like this.
where do the parents and the kids go wrong during the upbringing process? I dont get it...
man this just bugs the crap out of me when this happens.
man how do these kids get to this point???
I used to get in fights and I even got suspended once. Never did I even consider doing something like this.
where do the parents and the kids go wrong during the upbringing process? I dont get it...
This is such a horrible event….……
This also could have been less of issus if perhaps teachers could CC.
A women at work argued with me that if her son went to a school where a teacher could have a firearm she would not feel he would be safe. I asked how safe these teachers and students were when they were helplessly being shot at. She also felt that students could take a firearm from a teacher. I asked her how they would know; she stated that if the teacher has it on their hip then the students can see it. I’m not sure she understands what “concealed carry” means. I took the liberty of informing this woman that concealed carry means NO ONE knows it’s on your person.
People amaze me; the lack of free thinking annoys me.
This also could have been less of issus if perhaps teachers could CC.
A women at work argued with me that if her son went to a school where a teacher could have a firearm she would not feel he would be safe. I asked how safe these teachers and students were when they were helplessly being shot at. She also felt that students could take a firearm from a teacher. I asked her how they would know; she stated that if the teacher has it on their hip then the students can see it. I’m not sure she understands what “concealed carry” means. I took the liberty of informing this woman that concealed carry means NO ONE knows it’s on your person.
People amaze me; the lack of free thinking annoys me.
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yeah your right.
parents dont parent their kids anymore. The TV and video games parent the kids.
what a shame. Man it otta be freakin GREAT by the time my kids get to be my age. The way this world is going I hope I am dead by that time. I cant even imagine how messed up the world will be then.[sad2]
parents dont parent their kids anymore. The TV and video games parent the kids.
what a shame. Man it otta be freakin GREAT by the time my kids get to be my age. The way this world is going I hope I am dead by that time. I cant even imagine how messed up the world will be then.[sad2]
P-14
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1. ![[shocked]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/007.gif "Shocked [shocked]")
14-year-olds can't have guns and buy ammo - it's against the law!
2. Where's the hunt for the source of these 2 revolvers and ammo?
3. And, do you think he'd have come to school with guns if the metal detectors were used consistently? If the students need to show their ID card before entering, why wasn't his ID card pulled when he was suspended to prevent his entry to the school?
Sounds like typical lax school administration to me as contributing factors.
4. dwarven1 is right (http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=25369&page=9). Arm the teachers. It works in Israel and shootings in schools by terrorists has stopped. School shootings here are nothing more than domestic terrorist acts by deranged, cowardly people. Give the teachers guns and the problem stops and our children and teachers live.
14-year-olds can't have guns and buy ammo - it's against the law!2. Where's the hunt for the source of these 2 revolvers and ammo?
3. And, do you think he'd have come to school with guns if the metal detectors were used consistently? If the students need to show their ID card before entering, why wasn't his ID card pulled when he was suspended to prevent his entry to the school?
Sounds like typical lax school administration to me as contributing factors.
4. dwarven1 is right (http://northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=25369&page=9). Arm the teachers. It works in Israel and shootings in schools by terrorists has stopped. School shootings here are nothing more than domestic terrorist acts by deranged, cowardly people. Give the teachers guns and the problem stops and our children and teachers live.
How about teachers being allowed to carry now? Or should we just let "gun free zones" continue to kill innocents?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300839,00.html
Since your rhetorical question is directed at me I feel compelled to offer my opinion.
All people have the right to keep and bear arms; teachers included.
To defend your position you would need to agree that a cop stationed in the school would not have prevented this.
I believe a 14 year old would not attempt to bring a gun to school knowing that a cop is there and ready to eliminate any threat.
So I'll just leave it as we agree to disagree on how to defend a school.
Metal detectors don't do jack WRT school shooters- In red
lake the punk just killed the security guard and strolled right on
past them. (FWIW, the guard tried to tackle the punk shooter
but he still got shot). Now if the guard was armed, then things
might have turned out a lot differently.
-Mike
I read a few articles on this and he warned people in advance he was going to do this. The principle didn't have time to listen to the kids.
Oh, the principle couldn't be reached for comment.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071011/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting
Student gunman in Ohio warned of attack
By JOE MILICIA, Associated Press Writer
16 minutes ago
CLEVELAND - A high school student said Thursday that he and classmates had warned their principal about threats by a classmate who shot and wounded four people before killing himself, and believed the attack could have been prevented.
The student, Rasheem Smith, said on CBS' "Early Show" that despite their warnings about the student who opened fire Wednesday, Asa H. Coon, principal Johneita Durant told them she was too busy.
"I told my friends in the class that he had a gun and stuff," said Smith, 15. "He was talking about doing it last week. I don't know why they didn't say nothing.
"We talked to the principal. She would try to get us all in the office, but it would always be too busy for it to happen," Smith said.
Responding on the show, schools CEO Eugene Sanders said the district would investigate. "We're going to review the entire situation over the course of today and tomorrow, make a determination of what has indeed occurred, and then see what the appropriate recommendations are, so we can move forward on Monday morning," he said.
A message left at Durant's office was not immediately returned. A phone call to her home was not answered.
Armed with two revolvers, Coon opened fire at the alternative school, wounding two students and two teachers. He had a history of mental problems and was known for cursing at teachers and bickering with students.
Police found a duffel bag stocked with ammunition and three knives in a bathroom, but no suicide note, Police Chief Michael McGrath said.
People at Coon's home late Wednesday declined to comment.
All classes in the city school district were canceled Thursday, and school officials said counseling would be available for students at recreation centers throughout Cleveland.
Coon, who was suspended Monday for fighting with a classmate and was under suspension at the time of the shootings, had warned classmates of an attack, but none took him seriously.
"When he got suspended, he was like `I got something for you all,'" said student Frances Henderson, who said she often got into arguments with Coon. "I guess this is what he had."
Coon, who was white, stood out in the predominantly black school for dressing in a goth style, wearing a black trench coat, black boots, a dog collar and chains, she said.
Henderson, who is black, she said she didn't believe race played a role in the shootings.
"He's crazy. He threatened to blow up our school. He threatened to stab everybody," said Doneisha LeVert, 14. "We didn't think nothing of it."
Police believe Coon, wearing a Marilyn Manson shirt, black jeans and black nail polish, targeted the two teachers he shot Wednesday.
Coon's troubles seemed to come to a breaking point this week. Students said Monday's fight was over God — Coon told his classmates he didn't believe in God and instead worshipped rocker Marilyn Manson.
Coon had mental health problems, spent time in two juvenile facilities and threatened to commit suicide while in a mental health facility, according to juvenile court records obtained by The Plain Dealer newspaper.
The Department of Children and Family Services was called to Coon's home in 2000 because he had burns on his arms and scratches on his forehead, the newspaper said.
When he was 12, Coon was charged in juvenile court with domestic violence. His mother, Lori, had called police and told them her son slapped her and called her a vulgar name. She had been trying to intervene in a fight between Coon and his twin sister, The Plain Dealer reported.
He was also suspended from school last year for attempting to hurt a student, the newspaper said.
"He used to cuss all the teachers out," said Henderson, 14.
The first person shot, 14-year-old Michael Peek, had punched Coon in the face right before the shootings began, Smith said.
Coon "came out of the bathroom and bumped Mike and he (Mike) punched him in his face. Mike started walking. He shot Mike in the side," said Smith.
Darnell Rodgers, 18, said he realized he had been shot when he felt his arm burning.
Rodgers was treated for a graze wound to his right elbow. He told NBC's "Today" on Thursday he didn't believe he was targeted.
"He just fired the gun," Rodgers said. "He didn't say anything."
Michael Grassie, a 42-year-old history teacher, was hospitalized in fair condition late Wednesday after about 90 minutes of surgery.
Math teacher David Kachadourian, who was treated for a minor wound to the back of one shoulder, knew of no reason why Coon would target him.
"I never felt personally threatened or personally at risk," said Kachadourian, who had Coon is his beginning algebra class. "I had concerns about him, yes. He seemed like an angry young man. I did not fear for my own safety."
SuccessTech Academy, with about 240 students, is an alternative high school in the public school district that stresses technology and entrepreneurship.
Oh, the principle couldn't be reached for comment.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071011/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting
Student gunman in Ohio warned of attack
By JOE MILICIA, Associated Press Writer
16 minutes ago
CLEVELAND - A high school student said Thursday that he and classmates had warned their principal about threats by a classmate who shot and wounded four people before killing himself, and believed the attack could have been prevented.
The student, Rasheem Smith, said on CBS' "Early Show" that despite their warnings about the student who opened fire Wednesday, Asa H. Coon, principal Johneita Durant told them she was too busy.
"I told my friends in the class that he had a gun and stuff," said Smith, 15. "He was talking about doing it last week. I don't know why they didn't say nothing.
"We talked to the principal. She would try to get us all in the office, but it would always be too busy for it to happen," Smith said.
Responding on the show, schools CEO Eugene Sanders said the district would investigate. "We're going to review the entire situation over the course of today and tomorrow, make a determination of what has indeed occurred, and then see what the appropriate recommendations are, so we can move forward on Monday morning," he said.
A message left at Durant's office was not immediately returned. A phone call to her home was not answered.
Armed with two revolvers, Coon opened fire at the alternative school, wounding two students and two teachers. He had a history of mental problems and was known for cursing at teachers and bickering with students.
Police found a duffel bag stocked with ammunition and three knives in a bathroom, but no suicide note, Police Chief Michael McGrath said.
People at Coon's home late Wednesday declined to comment.
All classes in the city school district were canceled Thursday, and school officials said counseling would be available for students at recreation centers throughout Cleveland.
Coon, who was suspended Monday for fighting with a classmate and was under suspension at the time of the shootings, had warned classmates of an attack, but none took him seriously.
"When he got suspended, he was like `I got something for you all,'" said student Frances Henderson, who said she often got into arguments with Coon. "I guess this is what he had."
Coon, who was white, stood out in the predominantly black school for dressing in a goth style, wearing a black trench coat, black boots, a dog collar and chains, she said.
Henderson, who is black, she said she didn't believe race played a role in the shootings.
"He's crazy. He threatened to blow up our school. He threatened to stab everybody," said Doneisha LeVert, 14. "We didn't think nothing of it."
Police believe Coon, wearing a Marilyn Manson shirt, black jeans and black nail polish, targeted the two teachers he shot Wednesday.
Coon's troubles seemed to come to a breaking point this week. Students said Monday's fight was over God — Coon told his classmates he didn't believe in God and instead worshipped rocker Marilyn Manson.
Coon had mental health problems, spent time in two juvenile facilities and threatened to commit suicide while in a mental health facility, according to juvenile court records obtained by The Plain Dealer newspaper.
The Department of Children and Family Services was called to Coon's home in 2000 because he had burns on his arms and scratches on his forehead, the newspaper said.
When he was 12, Coon was charged in juvenile court with domestic violence. His mother, Lori, had called police and told them her son slapped her and called her a vulgar name. She had been trying to intervene in a fight between Coon and his twin sister, The Plain Dealer reported.
He was also suspended from school last year for attempting to hurt a student, the newspaper said.
"He used to cuss all the teachers out," said Henderson, 14.
The first person shot, 14-year-old Michael Peek, had punched Coon in the face right before the shootings began, Smith said.
Coon "came out of the bathroom and bumped Mike and he (Mike) punched him in his face. Mike started walking. He shot Mike in the side," said Smith.
Darnell Rodgers, 18, said he realized he had been shot when he felt his arm burning.
Rodgers was treated for a graze wound to his right elbow. He told NBC's "Today" on Thursday he didn't believe he was targeted.
"He just fired the gun," Rodgers said. "He didn't say anything."
Michael Grassie, a 42-year-old history teacher, was hospitalized in fair condition late Wednesday after about 90 minutes of surgery.
Math teacher David Kachadourian, who was treated for a minor wound to the back of one shoulder, knew of no reason why Coon would target him.
"I never felt personally threatened or personally at risk," said Kachadourian, who had Coon is his beginning algebra class. "I had concerns about him, yes. He seemed like an angry young man. I did not fear for my own safety."
SuccessTech Academy, with about 240 students, is an alternative high school in the public school district that stresses technology and entrepreneurship.
Actually my question was directed at America in general and not just you.
CNN reports that he walked right by the ARMED security guard at the front door. People like this kid are crazy, a cop would no more of deterred him then the armed security guard did.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/11/cleveland.shooting/index.html
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aren't I the paranoid one...lmao....
in another article they posted they also said there was another entrance and the guard position that watched that door was eliminated. They are not sure how he entered the school as he was suspended anyway.
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/BO64207/
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