Chief Glidden throwing MA gun owners under the bus

[colt_fan]

Some of you folks might miss this bit. But Glidden has filed an affidavit against Comm2A.

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...plaint-challenging-ltc-restrictions***-6.html

Glidden: http://ia801602.us.archive.org/28/items/gov.uscourts.mad.149330/gov.uscourts.mad.149330.47.0.pdf

So he initially started out to "help" gun owners with courses on understanding MA gun laws, he has now stabbed MA gun owners in the back.

If you are currently enrolled in any of his courses or seminars he teaches, please reconsider and withdraw from the class. Glidden wants to hurt our 2A and way of life, let's hurt his way of life by not putting money in his pockets.

ETA: MFA has cancelled Glidden's courses at their school!

My staff contacted me earlier today about this matter (I am currently on a trip with very limited access to the Internet).

Mass Firearms School's focus has always been to help Mass gun owners enjoy their constitutional rights.

I believe MFS has accomplished much towards this goal as we have helped educated tens of thousands of students, enabling them to enjoy firearms ownership and the shooting sports.

We began holding Ron Glidden seminars at MFS to give our students exposure to LEO interpretations of various aspects of Mass firearms law. LEO opinions of how the law is interpreted is valuable for the student who wants to stay out of trouble.

As a company we whole heartily support COMM 2A's attempts to bring Mass firearms law in line with the United States constitution (the director of COMM 2A is one of our most senior instructors).

Being that we completely support COMM 2A's work in the Grimes case, Glidden's advocacy for Grimes has place us in an awkward situation.

We have decided that canceling the class in question is the proper decision in light of the controversy surrounding this case.

Steve

 

[atilla]

POS!

 

[ntomsw]

"The profound difference in firearms training between a uniformed police officer, and a member of the public."

You're ****ing kidding, right???

Where are all of Glidden's sheep to post up here and say it's for the good of everyone in MA?? People make me ****ing sick.

 

[drgrant]

This isn't news. Glidden has only ever, on occasion, been a "friend by coincidence" of gun owners. The reason he's appeared pro-RKBA in the past is because basically he's run around to other chiefs @ MCOPA and basically said "stop acting like retards or we'll all lose discretionary issue" so he's more or less always towed the MCOPA line, which has been anti-citizen.

-Mike

 

[Jason Flare]

Soooooooo, he wrote the course and the course is inferior. OK. I'm still listening.

 

[swatgig]

"The profound difference in firearms training between a uniformed police officer, and a member of the public."

We don't get to practice on live, moving targets like dogs.

 

[ntomsw]

We don't get to practice on live, moving targets like dogs.

Pretty much.

 

[EJFudd]

This is what extreme arrogance and self-importance does to you.

 

[Harpua]

 

[Duxprep]

Wait.. What? So he's saying that because the state approved choices of classes available to get your LTC does not esnure that a person is as capable of handling a firearm as a Police officer , that Chiefs should have discretion to apply whatever restrictions they deem necessary? Moron. I am an instructor and I do cringe when I see guys giving a 4 hour class with no live fire and not following the NRA cirriculum at all but still providing a certificate. I aslo won't teach Home firearm safety as it has no live fire. So what, buyer beware. If the state says the class qualifies you then thats it, you're qualified, If you don't think so Glidden, then change the courses that qualify you and remove the ability for chiefs to apply any restrictions

 

[Boris]

I hope that Glidden Training and Consulting wither and dies, no money of mine will go to that POS.

So he says that "unwashed masses" aren't worthy to have constitutional rights. What a shithead.

 

[exo]

The profound difference in firearms training between a uniformed police officer, and a member of the public.

Yeah, the difference is that most civilians who carry actually practice more than twice a year. Asshat.

 

[Killswitch009]

I just emailed MFS. I am a current range member and have signed up for a number of courses. I will not be attending any of them. And cancel king my membership if he still has a course there when the course I signed up for is scheduled.

 

[edhead35]

I am an instructor and I do cringe when I see guys giving a 4 hour class with no live fire and not following the NRA cirriculum at all but still providing a certificate.

What about the super majority of states that do not require a license to exercise a fundamental right?

 

[Palladin]

unreal.

Remember this one people

 

[Duxprep]

What about the super majority of states that do not require a license to exercise a fundamental right?

Thats an entirely different discussion. I'm saying that if I as an instructor am putting my name on a certificate, then I want to ensure that the person is qualified to safely handle a firearm. People who don't even have live fire in their classes can't know that, nor do they seem to care.

 

[MA_Shooter]

What about the super majority of states that do not require a license to exercise a fundamental right?

Yeah, like most every other state.

 

[perry1386]

His seminars on MA Gun laws are about how LEOs can screw with people basically

 

[Admin]

Give Steve at MFS a chance to get to his email this morning, I am confident he will do the right thing.

 

[xtry51]

Anyone who supports licenses or training requirements at all is no friend of RKBA. If you want to point people out for hating freedom and being statist DBs, there's plenty of people on this site you should start with.

 

[Matt E]

"The profound difference in firearms training between a uniformed police officer, and a member of the public."

You're ****ing kidding, right???

Where are all of Glidden's sheep to post up here and say it's for the good of everyone in MA?? People make me ****ing sick.

Wayne/winter is gone. I know I know sorry for bringing up that name.

As for the core topic

 

[perry1386]

I just emailed MFS with my displeasure

 

[WallHack]

I just emailed MFS with my displeasure

Same. Let them know, people!

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Steve (MFS owner) is stuck between the rock of needing the good graces of the local LE agency to stay in business unhassled, and the hard place of needing to keep the non-LEO customer base happy.

 

[squatch413]

Thats an entirely different discussion. I'm saying that if I as an instructor am putting my name on a certificate, then I want to ensure that the person is qualified to safely handle a firearm. People who don't even have live fire in their classes can't know that, nor do they seem to care.

Serious? It doesn't take a genius to have safe gun handling. A four hour course with no live fire is extreme over kill to me.

 

[squatch413]

Oh well! "It is time to fish or cut bait". This is what happens when you are not careful who you go to bed with.

Qft.

 

[crazymikie]

Serious? It doesn't take a genius to have safe gun handling. A four hour course with no live fire is extreme over kill to me.

I've met people who took the 8 hour course and didn't know a squib load is.

The course should be pretty short and to the point- the simpler and more succinct it is, the better off the people are. You load it up with tons of stupid BS about draconian MA laws and people don't get the important points, thus negating the point of the class to begin with.

 

[xero2099]

nice of him to take your money then stab you in the back

 

[squatch413]

I've met people who took the 8 hour course and didn't know a squib load is.

The course should be pretty short and to the point- the simpler and more succinct it is, the better off the people are. You load it up with tons of stupid BS about draconian MA laws and people don't get the important points, thus negating the point of the class to begin with.

Especially when the instructor starts throwing Ayoobisms and his own personal Ayoobisms in. It should be how to handle a gun and a quick overview of the laws rather than this is a pistol here's all these crazy laws.

 

[KH56010]

I've met people who took the 8 hour course and didn't know a squib load is.

The course should be pretty short and to the point- the simpler and more succinct it is, the better off the people are. You load it up with tons of stupid BS about draconian MA laws and people don't get the important points, thus negating the point of the class to begin with.

Exactly, My class was 90% how not to get aressted for breaking a law this isn't a law if you go anywhere north of the border and 10% gun handling. When friends or coworkers come with me to the range, they learn more about safe gun handling in an hour than they would taking the state class 3 times over and they go home comfortable with a firearm, not nervous like I was when I left the class.