Kisspik002
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Anyone planning on attending the handgun class Aug 22-24, 2015?
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Also cheap compared to the per-day cost of many professional education courses (such as those offered in the computer field by Learningtree.com). I do find their position that "you pay extra for our overhead" range fee surcharge mildly offensive.$233 bucks a day isn't that bad compared some of the classes offered locally.
I wouldn't take a class that emphasizes the balance of speed and accuracy
No carbine 1 in 2015. Wanted to go to that.
Because it's not a balance. Its maximizing both. It is a fundamental flaw seen in most training that you need to sacrifice one for another, that you can't have 100% of both at the same time. If the instructor believes this, then they are limiting your progress.
I understand what Supermoto is talking about. There are instructors out there who do EXACTLY what he is talking about. They don't really know what to do about shooting aggressively at distance, so they say to slow down and balance it out... I watched Steve Gilchreast fill a NRA bullseye with 10 rounds at 25 yards in 6.7 seconds from the holster with a stock gun. That's when I stopped believing in balance. You can have it all.Because it's not a balance. Its maximizing both. It is a fundamental flaw seen in most training that you need to sacrifice one for another, that you can't have 100% of both at the same time. If the instructor believes this, then they are limiting your progress.
For most people it IS a balance. How many people do you think can shoot full speed with perfect accuracy? Those that can don't need that class
Correct, people that can shoot like that don't need classes, those that can't, do. So why would you want an instructor that won't teach you how to do that.
I don't disagree with your assessment at all--I think you can have it all if you can put in the time. I think most folks don't have or want to spend the time to learn that level of shooting. They want to be able to save their asses if the SHTF and their lives are in danger. I don't think these types of classes are for the bullseye shooters making a single ragged hole, its about making a bunch of holes quickly to stop a threat while keeping holes from being made in you.
Oh, and maybe a little bit of ninja-magic and buzzwords. I mean, who doesn't like a good ninja roll while drawing from concealment and mag changes in one's workspace??
I understand what Supermoto is talking about. There are instructors out there who do EXACTLY what he is talking about. They don't really know what to do about shooting aggressively at distance, so they say to slow down and balance it out... I watched Steve Gilchreast fill a NRA bullseye with 10 rounds at 25 yards in 6.7 seconds from the holster with a stock gun. That's when I stopped believing in balance. You can have it all.
Eta: what I really mean, and what I think Supermoto meant, is that some guys use that concept as a crutch.
Steve lives at the range. Do you? While possible certainly not realistic for almost everyone. No way can anyone take a 3 day class and achieve that performance. Costa teaches tactics and weapons manipulation
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Steve lives at the range. Do you? While possible certainly not realistic for almost everyone. No way can anyone take a 3 day class and achieve that performance. Costa teaches tactics and weapons manipulation
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I don't think you really understood my post. Would you agree that there are instructors out there that don't know the mechanics of shooting that use 'balance your speed with accuracy' as a crutch when distance is pushed?
edit: I'm very familiar with what Costa teaches.
You are not going to achieve the same results in the class because it takes time and effort, but the instructor should be giving you the knowledge and training foundation to get you there. That can't happen if you are told to slow down to get your hits