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Does Ammo have to be locked in MA?
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http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/82760-ammo-storage-laws
Yes it does.
First post in that thread is:
527 CMR 13.00
"small arms ammunition, primers, smokeless propellants and black powder shall be stored in original containers and such containers shall be stored in a locked cabinet, closet or box when not in use."
Yes it does.
First post in that thread is:
527 CMR 13.00
"small arms ammunition, primers, smokeless propellants and black powder shall be stored in original containers and such containers shall be stored in a locked cabinet, closet or box when not in use."
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True . . . except if you have an ammo/powder permit. There is no requirement to lock it up with a permit.
Make sense? NO! But why not take advantage of that.
Make sense? NO! But why not take advantage of that.
dcmdon
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How does one get a permit? I've intentionally limited the amount and number of ammo, powder and primers I keep on hand, instead storing them at my weekend place in CT. If I could move them all to MA it would be great.
Can getting a permit provide a means to bump the max number of loaded ammo, primers and powder you can keep on hand?
Can getting a permit provide a means to bump the max number of loaded ammo, primers and powder you can keep on hand?
dcmdon, this is ALL covered in the other thread I linked you to........
527 CMR 13.04: Licenses, Registrations, Permits and Certificates
(1) Exemption: License, Registration, or Permit: In accordance with the provisions of M.G.L. c. 148 § 13, the Board hereby prescribes the following quantities of explosive materials that shall be exempt from License, Registration, and Permit and may be kept, or stored in a building or other structure:
(a) Small Arms Ammunition
1. Not more than 10,000 rounds of rim fire ammunition.
2. Not more than 10,000 rounds of center fire ammunition.
3. Not more than 5,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition.
(b) Small Arms Ammunition Primers
1. Not more than 1,000 caps or other small arms primers.
(c) Smokeless Propellants
1. Not more than 16 pounds.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store Smokeless Propellants.
3. Not more than two pounds of such propellant shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
(d) Black Powder
1. Not more than two pounds.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store black powder.
(e) Exempt quantities of small arms ammunition, primers, smokeless propellants and black powder shall be stored in original containers and such containers shall be stored in a locked cabinet, closet or box when not in use.
(f) Special industrial explosive devices when in quantities of less than 50 pounds net weight of explosives.
(2) Storage By Permit: In accordance with the provisions of M.G.L. c. 148 § 13, the Board hereby prescribes the following quantities of explosive materials that shall be exempt from License, and Registration, and may be kept, or stored in a building or other structure provided a permit has been obtained from the head of the local fire department;
(a) Small Arms Ammunition: Private Use. Small arms ammunition in amounts over that specified in 527 CMR 13.04(1), that do not exceed 100,000 total rounds at any one time, may be kept for private use provided none of the individual limitations listed below are exceeded.
1. 10,001 to 30,000 rounds of rim fire ammunition.
2. 10,001 to 50,000 rounds of center fire ammunition not to include shotgun ammunition.
3. 10,001 to 50,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition not to include center fire ammunition.
(b) Small Arms Ammunition: Commercial Use. Not to exceed 200,000 rounds in any combination.
(c) Small Arms Ammunition Primers: Private Use
Not to exceed 10,000 Small Arms Ammunition Primers.
(d) Small Arms Ammunition Primers: Commercial Use
Not to exceed 100,000 Small Arms Ammunition Primers.
(e) Smokeless Propellants: Private Use
1. Not to exceed 48 pounds Smokeless Propellants.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store Smokeless Propellants.
3. The head of the local fire department may limit the quantity of smokeless propellants stored by permit to as low as two pounds if such propellant shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
(f) Smokeless Propellants: Commercial Use
Not to exceed 100 pounds smokeless propellant.
(g) Black Powder: Private Use
1. Not to exceed five pounds of black powder.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store black powder.
3. The head of the local fire department may limit the quantity of black powder stored by permit to as low as two pounds if such black powder shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
(h) Black Powder: Commercial Use
Not to exceed 50 pounds of black powder.
527 CMR 13.04: Licenses, Registrations, Permits and Certificates
(1) Exemption: License, Registration, or Permit: In accordance with the provisions of M.G.L. c. 148 § 13, the Board hereby prescribes the following quantities of explosive materials that shall be exempt from License, Registration, and Permit and may be kept, or stored in a building or other structure:
(a) Small Arms Ammunition
1. Not more than 10,000 rounds of rim fire ammunition.
2. Not more than 10,000 rounds of center fire ammunition.
3. Not more than 5,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition.
(b) Small Arms Ammunition Primers
1. Not more than 1,000 caps or other small arms primers.
(c) Smokeless Propellants
1. Not more than 16 pounds.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store Smokeless Propellants.
3. Not more than two pounds of such propellant shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
(d) Black Powder
1. Not more than two pounds.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store black powder.
(e) Exempt quantities of small arms ammunition, primers, smokeless propellants and black powder shall be stored in original containers and such containers shall be stored in a locked cabinet, closet or box when not in use.
(f) Special industrial explosive devices when in quantities of less than 50 pounds net weight of explosives.
(2) Storage By Permit: In accordance with the provisions of M.G.L. c. 148 § 13, the Board hereby prescribes the following quantities of explosive materials that shall be exempt from License, and Registration, and may be kept, or stored in a building or other structure provided a permit has been obtained from the head of the local fire department;
(a) Small Arms Ammunition: Private Use. Small arms ammunition in amounts over that specified in 527 CMR 13.04(1), that do not exceed 100,000 total rounds at any one time, may be kept for private use provided none of the individual limitations listed below are exceeded.
1. 10,001 to 30,000 rounds of rim fire ammunition.
2. 10,001 to 50,000 rounds of center fire ammunition not to include shotgun ammunition.
3. 10,001 to 50,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition not to include center fire ammunition.
(b) Small Arms Ammunition: Commercial Use. Not to exceed 200,000 rounds in any combination.
(c) Small Arms Ammunition Primers: Private Use
Not to exceed 10,000 Small Arms Ammunition Primers.
(d) Small Arms Ammunition Primers: Commercial Use
Not to exceed 100,000 Small Arms Ammunition Primers.
(e) Smokeless Propellants: Private Use
1. Not to exceed 48 pounds Smokeless Propellants.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store Smokeless Propellants.
3. The head of the local fire department may limit the quantity of smokeless propellants stored by permit to as low as two pounds if such propellant shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
(f) Smokeless Propellants: Commercial Use
Not to exceed 100 pounds smokeless propellant.
(g) Black Powder: Private Use
1. Not to exceed five pounds of black powder.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store black powder.
3. The head of the local fire department may limit the quantity of black powder stored by permit to as low as two pounds if such black powder shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
(h) Black Powder: Commercial Use
Not to exceed 50 pounds of black powder.
cockpitbob
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Virtually anything with a lock meets the law's requirements. I have a plastic garden closet from Home Depot. It has 2 little plastic loops for a lock. A child can get in it with pliers, but it meets the legal requirements.
The permit costs $ and is only good for 1 year, so it is an annual expense. Anyone that reloads needs the permit because of the limit on 1,000 primers [1,(b),1 in post-5 above] and most people buy primers in boxes of 1,000. If you don't reload you'd have to have a helluva lot of ammo to exceed the limits in post-5.
The permit costs $ and is only good for 1 year, so it is an annual expense. Anyone that reloads needs the permit because of the limit on 1,000 primers [1,(b),1 in post-5 above] and most people buy primers in boxes of 1,000. If you don't reload you'd have to have a helluva lot of ammo to exceed the limits in post-5.
cockpitbob
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I haven't been reloading and haven't renewed the permit so I had to look it up. I looks like in 2010 I paid $50! Eff!!!
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Knob Creek
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I think the going rate is $5.00.
cockpitbob
NES Member
Anyone know if it is a town by town thing, or does the State set the prices? I dug up my old permit and it is a State form, but the amount is a fill in the blank line on the form. It clearly shows I paid $50.00. Damn!
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Permits can be issued for any length of time and the fee will vary by town. Originally my permit expired the same date as my LTC (every 5 years) and cost me nothing. These days it cost me $10 and is good for 2 years.
So you need to ask your fire chief. As you can see in this thread it will vary from place to place.
inerlogic
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yeh, but then they put your house on the list of ones they'll just let burn rather than risk themselves getting blown up.....
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Only if the department doesn't train properly and is ignorant.
I discussed this with my prior fire chief and he confirmed that they were trained to deal with it and it was a NON-ISSUE! The turn-out coats would deflect the flying brass (assuming people didn't store ammo to create a "bomb").
I don't think this is the case.........according to the document I have it states that you can obtain a "Powder Permit" from your local fire dpt. The Powder Permit increases the amount of ammuntion you can keep in your home but there is nothing that states that the new higher amount can be stored any differently.
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The storage requirements are a sub-paragraph under "no permit required" section. There is no such storage requirements sub-paragraph under "with permit" section. That's why it's not regulated. Re-read the CMR. I'm sure that it was an oversight, but it is what it is.
dcmdon
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Which many people will do if they comply with the law and store in a locked container.
I just realized the perfect ammo storage unit. I have an old 42U Compac server rack in my house in CT. I'm not using it anymore. Its got perforated doors front and back and locks nicely.
Don
My apology and my mistake, per the "Unofficial" copy of 527 CMR 13.00 ( the only version you can obtain form mass.gov) the locked storage requirements are stated for non-permit storage only.
dwarven1
Lonely Mountain Arms
$25 / year or two years (I forget which) in Marlboro.
Why? The permit is cheaper than running back to CT to reload.
dcmdon
NES Member
All my reloading stuff is in MA, but I've only got a few primers here and 8 lbs of powder. I go back to ct on weekends so I'll just bring stuff back when I come back. I haven't even started reloading yet since the move. I just found the boxes that my Dillon 650s are in. I still haven't found my powder scale. ha. The joys of moving.
cockpitbob
NES Member
And it's a fire dept. thing, not Mass General Law.
