Is it legal to store ammo on a shotgun card holder woth an FID card?

[Nascarfan357]

Im trying to find the best way to have my firearm ready for self defense. I always have a cable lock and a soft case. I'm planning on keeping the ammo in the same container or on an Esstac holder unless that is a violation of MA laws? Also when I transport the Shotgun in a trunk, I don't need to have it locked correct? Could it ever be used as a last resort for self defense even with an FID Card outside of the home legally? I'm hoping to get my LTC soon to avoid all of this nonsense.

 

[MAJoe]

It’s against CMR (fire code) to store ammunition in anything but its original container.

Thread 'Does Ammo have to be locked in MA?'

Jun 17, 2012

I sure hope not. I couldn't think of anything more stupid than putting ammo in a strong, sealed container.

• dcmdon
• Replies: 27
• Forum: Massachusetts Laws

A trunk is a locked container if you can’t access it from the passenger compartment (fold down rear seat from inside).

I can’t see a reasonable self defense situation where you go to your locked trunk, retrieve a shotgun, and use it. Doesn’t matter LTC or FID.

 

[whacko]

Im trying to find the best way to have my firearm ready for self defense. I always have a cable lock and a soft case. I'm planning on keeping the ammo in the same container or on an Esstac holder unless that is a violation of MA laws? Also when I transport the Shotgun in a trunk, I don't need to have it locked correct? Could it ever be used as a last resort for self defense even with an FID Card outside of the home legally? I'm hoping to get my LTC soon to avoid all of this nonsense.

You can transport an unloaded standard capacity shotgun inside the passenger compartment of your vehicle and it doesn't even need to be in a locked case.

The locked case requirements during transport are for high cap rifles and shotguns.

Remember that if you park your vehicle and leave it now your not transporting your storing them and the laws change lol.

When i transport my hunting shotguns to and from the field they are unloaded in a soft case tossed on the back seat of my truck. Perfectly legal.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

Hi get your LTC and stop worrying, plus once you have the LTC it might be better to own a handgun or 2 or 3 or 20. My guns are locked up but are loaded, round in the chamber, ready to go. Otherwise owning a gun is pointless.

 

[Glocklike tendencies]

Im trying to find the best way to have my firearm ready for self defense. I always have a cable lock and a soft case. I'm planning on keeping the ammo in the same container or on an Esstac holder unless that is a violation of MA laws? Also when I transport the Shotgun in a trunk, I don't need to have it locked correct? Could it ever be used as a last resort for self defense even with an FID Card outside of the home legally? I'm hoping to get my LTC soon to avoid all of this nonsense.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbiHmAZfE4Y

 

[Mesatchornug]

Hi get your LTC and stop worrying, plus once you have the LTC it might be better to own a handgun or 2 or 3 or 20. My guns are locked up but are loaded, round in the chamber, ready to go. Otherwise owning a gun is pointless.

OP is, IIRC, currently blocked from the upgrade.

 

[fencer]

Could it ever be used as a last resort for self defense even with an FID Card outside of the home legally?

There are the laws of man, and the laws of God. Only you can decide if it is worth breaking the laws of man.

Consider that lethal self defense, regardless of the permit in your wallet, should only be considered if failure to act will result in someone being killed, do you really care?

Let's say there is a neighborhood bbq going on and your wife and kids are attending, three doors down. You told your wife that you will be right over as soon as you feed and let the dog out. You are throwing a couple of beers in a cooler and getting ready to walk out the door when you hear gun fire and screams from the party.
Are you really going to stop and think "Damn, it's too bad I only have an FID..."

There are some things in this world worth going to jail for. And even if you have an LTC, you might still go to jail.

 

[Nascarfan357]

It’s against CMR (fire code) to store ammunition in anything but its original container.

Thread 'Does Ammo have to be locked in MA?'

Jun 17, 2012

I sure hope not. I couldn't think of anything more stupid than putting ammo in a strong, sealed container.

• dcmdon
• Replies: 27
• Forum: Massachusetts Laws

A trunk is a locked container if you can’t access it from the passenger compartment (fold down rear seat from inside).

I can’t see a reasonable self defense situation where you go to your locked trunk, retrieve a shotgun, and use it. Doesn’t matter LTC or FID.

So whether it's at home locked and unloaded or out, I can't have shells I'm the Esstac holder?

 

[Nascarfan357]

There are the laws of man, and the laws of God. Only you can decide if it is worth breaking the laws of man.

Consider that lethal self defense, regardless of the permit in your wallet, should only be considered if failure to act will result in someone being killed, do you really care?

Let's say there is a neighborhood bbq going on and your wife and kids are attending, three doors down. You told your wife that you will be right over as soon as you feed and let the dog out. You are throwing a couple of beers in a cooler and getting ready to walk out the door when you hear gun fire and screams from the party.
Are you really going to stop and think "Damn, it's too bad I only have an LTC..."

There are some things in this world worth going to jail for. And even if you have an LTC, you might still go to jail.

Very well put!

 

[Nascarfan357]

Im going to try again this year, as we have a new chief, I'm just worried they will try to revoke my current firearm if denied but I don't think that they can? Last time I tried they told me to surrender all owned firearms within a piece of mail when I was denied.

 

[Nascarfan357]

You can transport an unloaded standard capacity shotgun inside the passenger compartment of your vehicle and it doesn't even need to be in a locked case.

The locked case requirements during transport are for high cap rifles and shotguns.

Remember that if you park your vehicle and leave it now your not transporting your storing them and the laws change lol.

When i transport my hunting shotguns to and from the field they are unloaded in a soft case tossed on the back seat of my truck. Perfectly legal.

So even with an FID card, I could have it visibility mounted upright in my sport car passenger seat? Not that I would but just saying. I've seen police do that before.

 

[M1911]

Im going to try again this year, as we have a new chief, I'm just worried they will try to revoke my current firearm if denied but I don't think that they can? Last time I tried they told me to surrender all owned firearms within a piece of mail when I was denied.

I suggest that you speak with a firearms attorney ahead of time. I suggest @nstassel

 

[whacko]

So even with an FID card, I could have it visibility mounted upright in my sport car passenger seat? Not that I would but just saying. I've seen police do that before.

Legally the only requirement for transport of a non high cap shotgun is that it be unloaded for transport. You can glean whatever you want from that nugget if Intel.

You certainly won't see me driving around in mass with a pump action shotgun propped up in the front seat so that it can be seen.......you do you.

 

[peterk123]

Not trying to be a dick, but how can a gun with a cable lock on it, stored in a soft case with ammo in a seperate container be considered a self defense weapon? Wouldn't a baseball bat be way more effective at this point?

F' the law. It's irrelevant if you need to save your family's life. Keep the gun loaded by the bed. Keep the lock, soft case and empty ammo box next to it. Lock it back up and remove the ammo after you smoke the prick.

And don't ask questions like this online. But, what do I know, I have no guns.

 

[fencer]

So whether it's at home locked and unloaded or out, I can't have shells I'm the Esstac holder?

My brother... a favorite saying here on NES is "concealed means concealed."
You don't need a better license to keep a self defense shotty at the ready... you need a better bed!
( I am not a lawyer. Taking my advice may result in the loss of your freedom and your anal virginity. Do not break the law because some guy on the internet said to.)



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUWHFSWPP1E&t=43s

 

[Ecocharles]

A shot gun in a case unloaded with maybe. a lock on the case= 10-30 seconds before you are ready to pull the trigger=you are going to jail if you use it, that was plenty of time for you to flee.

Might I suggest a handgun that is within reach (so you can legally keep it loaded) and if you need to make a stop and you don't want to carry it, lock that shiit up in your car.

You might want to invest in the law training offered online at Massfirearms, they hold all sorts of classes.

 

[M1911]

A shot gun in a case unloaded with maybe. a lock on the case= 10-30 seconds before you are ready to pull the trigger=you are going to jail if you use it, that was plenty of time for you to flee.

MA law does not require you to retreat from inside your own home.

 

[Ecocharles]

MA law does not require you to retreat from inside your own home.

I was responding to his mention of transporting in his truck or on his front seat of his car.

 

[MAJoe]

So whether it's at home locked and unloaded or out, I can't have shells I'm the Esstac holder?

Technically, no.

 

[Mesatchornug]

A shot gun in a case unloaded with maybe. a lock on the case= 10-30 seconds before you are ready to pull the trigger=you are going to jail if you use it, that was plenty of time for you to flee.

Might I suggest a handgun that is within reach (so you can legally keep it loaded) and if you need to make a stop and you don't want to carry it, lock that shiit up in your car.

You might want to invest in the law training offered online at Massfirearms, they hold all sorts of classes.

You can suggest anything you'd like, but if you read the whole thread before replying you'd catch on to the fact that a handgun isn't an option for the OP.

 

[Bigfudge16]

delete this post, do what sounds least retarded.

If you have an unloaded shotgun in your back seat under a gym towel, a couple loose cartridges in your center console, and you're not doing anything to be searched you'll likely have no issues even if an LEO notices. If you are doing something to warrant being searched in that situation you are dumb for putting yourself in that situation and you may have some legal issues but you likely already did.

On the other hand if you have a shotgun upright in your passenger seat and someone driving next to you decides to call the MSP you may end up face down on the pavement being cuffed whether you're technically within your legal right or not.