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I also saw at least one lovely sweep of a teammate with the muzzle.
I learn my extreme CQB from RTT-CQB Man......slaying bodies...all the time.....goodtogo?
1) muzzle pointing directly at the ceiling during mag changes,
There is no need to elevate the muzzle that high during mag changes, and none of the places I've trained at (LFI, SigArms Academy, Cumberland Tactics) taught it that way. It wastes time.Just curious, what do you recommend?
Good training? Shooting one handed with the gun horizontal, gansta style, not using the sights? Why?I thought it was interesting, some good training.
I learn my extreme CQB from RTT-CQB Man......slaying bodies...all the time.....goodtogo?
I learn my extreme CQB from RTT-CQB Man......slaying bodies...all the time.....goodtogo?
There's no need to bring the gun up that high and it slows down your magazine changes.I was just curious about the mag change, people teach it differently that's all I'll say. If your way works, great.
I haven't ever used a shield (and likely never will, not being a cop), but I've heard the same thing. However, they weren't using a shield.And I think the cant, or gangsta as you call it is a result of working with a shield. It is almost impossible in full gear to shield shoot with a pistol that isn't canted. I have yet to see anyone use a completely vertically held weapon while shield shooting unless if they are using a MUST or Bat type of shield or similar.
I don't have a problem with a slight cant. I use a slight cant when shooting one handed on my weak side -- that brings the sights into alignment with my dominant eye and keeps my wrist locked.Also, a slight cant is natural, some people tend to over do it, but again it's one of those things that people teach differently.
I disagree. They should have done a better job of muzzle discipline. Watch what he does with the gun at 1:11. He waves the muzzle all over the place. He starts with the gun pointed at the target, then brings the muzzle up so it is pointing directly at the ceiling, then he rotates the gun so that it is pointing 90 degrees to the left -- directly at his partner, and then he rotates the gun around to his gansta position. Not only is it unsafe, it is a gross waste of time.I'm not saying what I saw was perfect, and yes, I saw a little sloppiness with the muzzles, but in that type of training it is going to happen. Nobody wants or advocates for it, but it happens, sometimes. They should have done a better job editing that.
And I think the cant, or gangsta as you call it is a result of working with a shield. It is almost impossible in full gear to shield shoot with a pistol that isn't canted. I have yet to see anyone use a completely vertically held weapon while shield shooting unless if they are using a MUST or Bat type of shield or similar. Also, a slight cant is natural, some people tend to over do it, but again it's one of those things that people teach differently.
I'd have to see that run on a timer to believe gansta tilt is faster.I have been taught to use the 90 degree (gangsta) tilt in exactly one circumstance. That is a touching distance target and an appendix carried concealed weapon. Supposed reason being it is quicker to just get the muzzel up than to rotate and get the muzzel up.
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I don't know anything about the instructor in question, so I'm not necessarily speaking of him. But in general, the sheer number of total goofs that are teaching tactical "systems" is amazing. Almost more amazing is that some of these losers are incredibly successful at it, teaching their useless and made-up crap to police, SWAT cops, and even military units (who damn well should know better). Their stuff would never survive a serious or objective test, but if it looks tactical enough, if they've been peddling it for long enough, and they use the right buzzwords, otherwise smart people fall for it.mall ninjas
I'd have to see that run on a timer to believe gansta tilt is faster.
It was only for when you were in so close that you had to lean into the opponent to clear the pistol, then just tilt your wrist and fire. Also only taught to those where were actually carrying in the 1-2 o'clock position. Was never used if you had room to extend your arm.
There's no need to bring the gun up that high and it slows down your magazine changes.
I haven't ever used a shield (and likely never will, not being a cop), but I've heard the same thing. However, they weren't using a shield.
I don't have a problem with a slight cant. I use a slight cant when shooting one handed on my weak side -- that brings the sights into alignment with my dominant eye and keeps my wrist locked.
But they're not using a slight cant, nor are they using the sights at all. I understand point shooting at close distances, but IMHO, that's better done with the gun in basically the same position as when shooting with the sights, other than being slightly lower in your line of sight. Furthermore, it takes longer to get into that position. Watch how long it takes them to rotate the gun around to that position -- if they'd kept the gun closer to normal, they could have shot 1/4 second sooner.
I disagree. They should have done a better job of muzzle discipline. Watch what he does with the gun at 1:11. He waves the muzzle all over the place. He starts with the gun pointed at the target, then brings the muzzle up so it is pointing directly at the ceiling, then he rotates the gun so that it is pointing 90 degrees to the left -- directly at his partner, and then he rotates the gun around to his gansta position. Not only is it unsafe, it is a gross waste of time.
It was only for when you were in so close that you had to lean into the opponent to clear the pistol, then just tilt your wrist and fire. Also only taught to those where were actually carrying in the 1-2 o'clock position. Was never used if you had room to extend your arm.
You said that "I thought it was interesting, some good training." I feel otherwise, and explained my reasoning, in detail. I'm perfectly relaxed, so if you wish to explain where my reasoning is faulty, I'm all ears, er, eyes. I've been wrong before, so show me where I'm wrong here. I'm always eager to learn, even from those I disagree with.Dude, relax. Or take your pointers to a place where you can teach. I certainly don't need your dissertation.
I was a student. Some of the classes I've taken include LFI-1 and 2, Sigarms Concealed Carry and Advanced Concealed Carry, Cumberland Tactics Handgun 101. While I am an NRA Certified Instructor, as you probably know that doesn't involve any CQB. None of those schools taught magazine changes with the muzzle pointing straight up.How much teaching time do you have at CQB? You mentioned a lot of civilian schools -- were you teaching there or did you attend?
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Now you're showing your age .For some reason I thought that video would have a Disco Inferno soundtrack....
Now you're showing your age .
Thank God I burned all the negatives from the '70s
No need to feel left out. You can buy vintage '70s disco shirts on the web...I was actually born a few years after that song came out, but I've heard it in so many of those "disco gold" commercials from the 80s that it was hard to shake.
I understand that. I still don't see it, though. In that situation, I can see it being faster to have the gun tilted somewhat -- say 30 to 45 degrees. But 90 degrees rotated like these guys were shooting? That actually requires more movement of the wrist.
You said that "I thought it was interesting, some good training." I feel otherwise, and explained my reasoning, in detail. I'm perfectly relaxed, so if you wish to explain where my reasoning is faulty, I'm all ears, er, eyes. I've been wrong before, so show me where I'm wrong here. I'm always eager to learn, even from those I disagree with.
I was a student. Some of the classes I've taken include LFI-1 and 2, Sigarms Concealed Carry and Advanced Concealed Carry, Cumberland Tactics Handgun 101. While I am an NRA Certified Instructor, as you probably know that doesn't involve any CQB. None of those schools taught magazine changes with the muzzle pointing straight up.
I am low-speed, high drag. But I don't think you need to be a CQB instructor to look at the large arcs of muzzle movement away from the target, large amounts of wrist rotation, and decide whether you think that is good or bad.