First time trying my new AK47

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I'm an AK47 beginner and tried my new WASR-10 at the range today. I have every intention of keeping the AR15 as my primary rifle, but I got an AK47 just for the sake of diversity and broadening my firearms horizons.

Anyway... First, the front sight post on this gun came with it well to the left, probably as far as it'll go. The dealer suggested they may have sighted it in already so that it needed to be that far to the left. Clearly, this gun is not made with much precision, otherwise a zeroed front sight would actually be in the middle almost exactly. Having it off to the side makes it look odd... the arc thingies on either side of the post are lopsided because the post is so far to one side.

So, I tried it (with a front rest) just 35 feet in front of me, initially having the center/top of the front post on my target (while properly aligned with the rear sight). The elevation was OK but the bullets were hitting 3" to the left. I moved it to 75' and the bullets were hitting 6" to the left. The groups weren't too impressive either, but the glaring problem was clearly the bullets far to the left of point of aim.

I'm not sure how to adjust the front sight on this. I suspect you take a brass punch and hammer it in one direction from the dime-sized round part that's on the left and right side of it. But, the post is physically against the left edge of the area that it can move back and forth in, so I'm not sure I can move it any more left. Even if I could, it is already far enough left as to look ridiculous.

I had this idea to try firing the gun using the upper left corner of the post (rather than center) as the point of aim. (I can't believe how wide the front post is... makes accurate aiming rather difficult.) That worked! Now, my groups are reliably around where I am aiming.

Only problems now are:
1. I think it is kind of lame that I have to use the corner. Is that normal? It accomplishes the goal though. The sight picture is a bit painful too with the post not being centered.
2. The group is about 3" at 25 yards, and that is with a front rest. I'm by no means an expert but I'm not that bad. With an AR15 or 10/22, the group is reliably 1" or less at 25 yards using iron sights. With no rest, my group looks nearly identical to my groups with a 9mm Glock. I would really expect to be able to do better with a rifle than a pistol, but instead accuracy is about the same.

I'm also new to 7.62x39 so I'm not sure how much of this I can attribute to ammo vs. it being an AK47. I'll try this ammo in another gun and see what happens.

So, questions: Is there anything relatively simple/cheap I can do to improve the front sight, and the grouping size? AR15 is my main rifle so I don't need to do anything too much with this AK... just get it reasonable enough that it works as best you could expect it to work. I see why people say this has "minute of barn door" accuracy. [laugh] It was otherwise fun enough to use, but improving it would be nice.
 
you can buy the front sight adjustment tools for a few dollars. It will allow you to adjust the windage in the front. My WASR is the same way. The sight is all the way over to the right IIRC. As for the group sizes maybe you're just getting used to the gun. Mine is pretty accurate out to 100 yards with iron sights.
 
Sounds like the sight mount might be canted there was a similiar thread recently. You could always pick up a removable mount to attach to the side rail and throu a red dot on it.

Supper's ready
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or I'd post links to the thread, the fix for a canted sight and the mount. I'll be back later & if nobody's posted them I'll post them later.
 
I'm guessing the original sight isn't easily replaceable, right? It looks pretty well on there somehow.
 
Oh! That's what that squiggly piece of metal thingy on the left side of the receiver above the trigger. For some reason it didn't occur to me that was a rail. I feel dumb now, but at least I know one more thing.

So, it would be reasonable enough to put a $100 Millett (for example) red dot sight on that? I'd be willing to do that although I have never used a scope on the side before. Sounds odd but I guess I would get used to it.
 
That would work but I'll warn you they tend to sit a bit high for the average user. There are receiver covers with rails on then which would mount your dot a bit lower.

Chect the first link for side rail nounts and look around that site a bit.
 
Dench had the same problem with his Romanian AK and wound up getting a Kobra red dot.

I tell everyone that asks me about Romanian AK types to check the sight picture and see if you can notice a difference in the front sight. Canted (tilted) front sights have been a notorious problem in Romanian AKs ever since they started coming into this country even in the SAR1 models which are regarded as the best of Romanians.
Hell, even my SAR1 has a slight cant but after using an adjuster its on at 100 yards, but I wouldn't trust it past that distance.

The sight MrTwigg posted is the definitive sight on Romi AK rifles and from what I've heard, the fix is not that hard to do.
I'll see you tomorrow morning and will bring my SAR 1 and show you what I know.
 
I'm no expert on AK's... but I've done enough reading to know that the canted front sight is one of the first things to look for when picking out an AK.

Whenever I pick up an AK at a shop... the first thing I do is shoulder it and take a look at the sight picture. If the front sight is canted at ALL... even the slightest bit... I put it right back on the rack.

doesn't mean your AK isn't worth keeping... I'm sure it's a fine piece. [grin]

But at least you'll know what to look for next time around.

And knowing is half the battle [wink]
 
And next time around they may cost $1200 instead of $600. [sad]

Maybe its actually better to have it sighted in using the corner of the post instead of the middle. The post is rather wide making it hard to perfectly find the center. Mainly, it is rather annoying looking.

What should my expectations be with an AK? If I can manage to reliably hit a man-sized target at 100 yards (hey, better than a barn door) e.g. within a 12" group, should I just consider that good enough and feel that I have achieved AK47 proficiency?
 
Pratice = Proficiency

What should my expectations be with an AK? If I can manage to reliably hit a man-sized target at 100 yards (hey, better than a barn door) e.g. within a 12" group, should I just consider that good enough and feel that I have achieved AK47 proficiency?

I've been told to expect hits out to 300 yards & I can hold to an 8" group at 100 yards and might be able to get hits on man sized targets at 200 or more.
Marksmanship is a preishable skill. It all comes down to pratice.
 
$600 for a WASR?

6" to the left is exactly what should happen at 75' if it's doing 3" to the left at 35'

Unfortunately to fix that temporarily, you have to move the front sight even more to the left. A permanent fix is to follow Mr. Twigg's link and fix the cant.

Do not get a receiver cover rail. It does not hold zero.

You're not limited to 100 yards with that rifle. It should be able hit out to 300 without much trouble, and out to 400 or 500 if you do your part.
 
Yes $600. Both Four Seasons and ZHA raised them recently from $500.

The canting fix may be difficult for me to pull off. I don't even have a vise or a drill press, nor a work bench to put these on. I'll put that project on my back burner as I have some more important target practicing that I need to get in first. If there are people out there for hire that would do this work, I might consider that.

Receiver cover rail doesn't hold zero? What would be a good alternative then? Mount something to the left side that curves up and over the cover where I then put the scope?
 
I've been told to expect hits out to 300 yards & I can hold to an 8" group at 100 yards and might be able to get hits on man sized targets at 200 or more.
Marksmanship is a preishable skill. It all comes down to pratice.

An 8" group at 100 yards seems like it should be possible for me to do... I'll see if I can aim for that goal.
 
Mount something to the left side that curves up and over the cover where I then put the scope?

Yup, that's how the sidemount works.

There's also a scout mount option, though I have no AK experience with it. There's an ultimak rail that mounts above the front handguard. Then you put low/no magnification sight up there. All the cool kids are doing it. [smile]

You don't need a drill press unless all else has failed. And if all else does fail, I have a protable one we can meet up and use.
 
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Well I want to be a cool kid too. I don't think I'd need magnification... just some cheap red dot sight with 1X magnification. Its an AK, so trying to improve accuracy with magnification seems unnecessary.
 
$600 for a WASR?

6" to the left is exactly what should happen at 75' if it's doing 3" to the left at 35'

Unfortunately to fix that temporarily, you have to move the front sight even more to the left. A permanent fix is to follow Mr. Twigg's link and fix the cant.

Do not get a receiver cover rail. It does not hold zero.

You're not limited to 100 yards with that rifle. It should be able hit out to 300 without much trouble, and out to 400 or 500 if you do your part.

There was a WASR-10 at M&M's for $519 today. I almost bought it, haha.

Good luck with the sight issue, I'm curious to see how you resolve it.
 
M&M's? I was just there this afternoon. It was very busy.

They probably just haven't gotten their new shipment in yet... once they do, the wholesaler will have raised the price, to be passed along by M&M's. That WASR-10 must be left around from the good old days of pre-election non-panic prices.
 
What time were you there? I was in between 2 and 3 with my dad and brother. Dave was trying to fix my brother's Mossberg pump, it's off to Mossberg for further inspection.

It was the busiest I've ever seen in there. I wondered if it was typical of a saturday.
 
Yes $600. Both Four Seasons and ZHA raised them recently from $500.

I didn't want to admit what I paid for the SAR-1 that I posted in the November new acquisitions thread, but in light of this I guess it's OK to say I paid $550, including the Kobra sight and three mags. It also has all the original buttstock tools, although the rifle was restocked with a synthetic Choate Dragunov stock ... I can change that.

I still haven't fired this rifle yet ... maybe I'm in for a surprise. But I'm new to the AK and finding this, and other AK-related threads suddenly very useful.

I wish I had two more.
 
Not to hijack the thread, but...

I don't know if it's just because I'm used to my AR-15 or what, but every time I've handled one of the AK's or it's variant at the shop it feels like it's of poor quality. The magazine was rattling around and it just didn't feel like it was anything good. Now I have zero AK experience, so I'm open to the idea that this is how they're supposed to feel, but I had a hard time plunking down $519 +tax for what feels like poo.

Perhaps someone could comment?
 
Not to hijack the thread, but...

I don't know if it's just because I'm used to my AR-15 or what, but every time I've handled one of the AK's or it's variant at the shop it feels like it's of poor quality. The magazine was rattling around and it just didn't feel like it was anything good. Now I have zero AK experience, so I'm open to the idea that this is how they're supposed to feel, but I had a hard time plunking down $519 +tax for what feels like poo.

Perhaps someone could comment?

I'll let you know if the AK mystique lives up to my expectation or leaves me disappointed, but I'm partial to a rifle built to sufficiently loose tolerances that it can be forgiving in harsh conditions. And anyway, I always root for the underdog.
 
You are correct. Many feel like poo, especially straight from Century. In fact, most things that come from Century feel like poo. They're amazing at it.

I'm very happy with my SAR3, which the prior owner had refinished by Krebs Custom, has polymer furniture and a sweet grip. It doesn't feel like poo.

Gringo, want to sell me that Kobra sight?
 
You are correct. Many feel like poo, especially straight from Century. In fact, most things that come from Century feel like poo. They're amazing at it.

I'm very happy with my SAR3, which the prior owner had refinished by Krebs Custom, has polymer furniture and a sweet grip. It doesn't feel like poo.

Gringo, want to sell me that Kobra sight?

Interesting. So it's ok to go with poo then? poo...[laugh] or are there better choices?
 
I didn't want to admit what I paid for the SAR-1 that I posted in the November new acquisitions thread, but in light of this I guess it's OK to say I paid $550, including the Kobra sight and three mags. It also has all the original buttstock tools, although the rifle was restocked with a synthetic Choate Dragunov stock ... I can change that.

I still haven't fired this rifle yet ... maybe I'm in for a surprise. But I'm new to the AK and finding this, and other AK-related threads suddenly very useful.

I wish I had two more.

I remember the pics in the new acquisition thread. For an SAR1 with a real Kobra its a good price!
 
Yes $600. Both Four Seasons and ZHA raised them recently from $500.

The canting fix may be difficult for me to pull off. I don't even have a vise or a drill press, nor a work bench to put these on. I'll put that project on my back burner as I have some more important target practicing that I need to get in first. If there are people out there for hire that would do this work, I might consider that.

Receiver cover rail doesn't hold zero? What would be a good alternative then? Mount something to the left side that curves up and over the cover where I then put the scope?

Here is side mount that will work for you:

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=256

You can use any red dot system on it too that attaches using a Weaver rail.
 
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