Glock 23 - should I replace the barrel?

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I've been looking through lots of old posts and all the talk about Glocks being grenades has me a little concerned. I'm interested in hearing what others think. Should I keep the gun, replace the barrel or just get rid of it? I carry it on occasion and if SHTF that would probably be the first gun I reach for.
 
If you only shoot factory loads and don't re-chamber rounds you should be fine with the stock glock barrel. If you want to shoot lead and/or sleep better at night get an aftermarket, properly supported chamber, and traditionally rifled barrel. If you want to save money on ammo you can pick up a 9mm conversion barrel and some glock 19 magazines.
 
Here we go again...

There are a zillion Glocks out there with factory barrels with no problems

The greatest chance of you having a KB with ANY semi auto with a steep ramp angle is caused be loading the same round into the gun, then when you make the weapon safe, putting that same round back in the magazine more than a couple of times.

Repeated chambering of a round may cause the bullet to be pushed into the case, (this is called setback) causing over pressurization, which in any gun will generate pressures that will make the gun go BOOM.

The second leading cause is using reloaded ammo from an unreliable source that may have too much powder, bullet pressed too far into the casing, a defective casing, etc etc etc.

If you are shooting lead reloads out of a Glock factory barrel you are going to have issues with fouling because of the type of rifling Glock uses. If you want to shoot reloaded lead out of a Glock, go aftermarket and it will also give you more case support.

There are some people who are of the opinion Glocks alleged problems are caused by an under supported case. Personally I am not buying into that.

If you have the extra cash lying around and want to buy one of the high end barrels because you want a tighter group go for it. If you want to shoot lead reloads, go for it. If you want to be able to shoot .357Sig out of it go for it. If you are just worried about the gun going KB skip it. Don't rechamber the same round more than a couple of times, don't use reloads from any source you don't know has high quality standards and you'll be fine.

YMMV
 
Thanks for the info guys.
I'm constantly loading and unloading over the course of days or months who knows what rounds have been in and out?
Any thoughts on which barrels would do the trick? I saw a posting or two for Lone wolf
 
The setback issue can easily be addressed by mesuring the OAL of your carry ammo (after it has been chambered and unloaded) with a pair of verniers.
 
How much money do you have

Storm lake and lone wolf are at the bottom of the scale, Bar-Sto is at the top end, I have a KKM that MSRP's for 165
 
The setback issue can easily be addressed by mesuring the OAL of your carry ammo (after it has been chambered and unloaded) with a pair of verniers.

But if it gets setback the next time you put it in because it has been chambered too many times and you happen to pull the trigger and it goes KaBoom, it won't matter what the measurement is.
 
I've been looking through lots of old posts and all the talk about Glocks being grenades has me a little concerned. I'm interested in hearing what others think. Should I keep the gun, replace the barrel or just get rid of it? I carry it on occasion and if SHTF that would probably be the first gun I reach for.
Do an Internet search for "Glock Ka-Boom", read a few articles and decide where you fit.

Respectfully,
jkelly
 
But if it gets setback the next time you put it in because it has been chambered too many times and you happen to pull the trigger and it goes KaBoom, it won't matter what the measurement is.

I don't believe you under stand how setback happens. Setback is a cumulative effect from repeated pressure on the bullet when it hits the feedramp. By your logic setback can happen from one chambering there for it could also happen on the first chambering so all guns are bombs waiting to go off.
 
drop in barrels

Another option would be to check with Remsport (on the dealers page) they make them there. They are out in Ludlow, Ma


Thanks for the info guys.
I'm constantly loading and unloading over the course of days or months who knows what rounds have been in and out?
Any thoughts on which barrels would do the trick? I saw a posting or two for Lone wolf
 
jay_chris to OP

why do you constantly load / unload your CCW? -just curious


I don't carry the same gun all the time. If I put the gun away I usually unload:)

How much money do you have

Storm lake and lone wolf are at the bottom of the scale, Bar-Sto is at the top end, I have a KKM that MSRP's for 165

For carry purposes is there any practical difference between lone wolf and kkm? Should I spend the extra $70 or so?
 
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For carry purposes is there any practical difference between lone wolf and kkm? Should I spend the extra $70 or so?

I would spend the extra, you get what you pay for....
~ Drew
 
So I ordered the Lone wolf and it came in today. Went to the gun club earlier with some 'remanufactured' lead loads.
Here's the funny part. With the lead loads the gun was hanging up. Seems they weren't resized well and wouldn't quite fit into the chamber. My cor-bon +p loads chambered with no issues.
Is it a bad idea to shoot lead only from my factory barrel and use the lone wolf for jacketed and carry purposes?
 
Glock and Kaboom

I have two glocks and I bought my ex girlfriend (when she was my girlfriend) a glock. Now, I'm an engineer and did a lot of research into the percieved issues with glocks going Kaboom. All my glocks have after market barrels because I reload. "Issues" with Glock factory barrels Long Loading Ramp Glock factory barrels have a long loading ramp on the barrel to improve reliability. This feature lets factory glock barrels load a much broader range of rounds without issues of the round entering the chamber properly. This gives the Glock barrel a similar ramp profile as a 1911 patterned gun with a "lowered" ramp - a common reliability modification to a carry 1911. The lowered ramp leaves the bottom portion of the head and web of the round outside the chamber - that the top of the ramp. If you're firing ammo within pressure specification limits, you wont have a problem, the case is strong enough there to support the pressure. If you're firing over-pressure reloads or rounds that have been repeatedly pushed into the ramp, or you're using heavily reloaded brass (many times fired) the brass may fail at this point and force expanding gas into the magazine well, trigger assembly and your trigger finger. - Kaboom! Loose Chamber Tolerances Glock Factory barrels have fairly loose chamber tolerances, expecially at their throat (I don't know if the longer competition barrels have tighter tolerances or not) but this allows the brass to stretch a little more with each firing. Again, factory new brass don't have a problem with this, but heavily reloaded rounds can fail due to work hardening (brass losses some of it's flex with each firing and resizing) The looser chamber is similar to a 1911 barrel being "throated" another common reliability improvement on carry guns. It improves reliability by allow more "freedom" as the round loads into the chamber. Polygonal Rifling Glock uses a hammer forged polygon rifiling scheme. This rifling scheme places more pressure on specific areas of the bullet than convential land/groove rifling as the bullet is deformed from round to polygon (hexagonal in the case of a .40 S&W. With copper jacketed bullets, this increased pressure is not an issue, the jacket is able to handle the pressure without a problem. Bare lead rounds that don't have a gas-check on the back will leave a "smear" of lead in the barrel, which builds up over time and restricts the bullets flow through the barrel. This builds up chamber pressure and can cause the case web/head to fail (see ramp profile above). Now, a newly cleaned polygonal rifled barrel firing copper jacketed bullets actually has less friction than a similar land/groove rifled barrel. This actually gives glock barrels a slight velocity advantage over a similar length convential rifled barrel with the same ammunition. Most aftermarket barrels have Match grade chambers (tighter tolerance) land&groove rifling (broached or button) and a fully supported chamber via a steeper ramp profile. This addresses all of the above Kaboom issues, but may result in a slightly "pickier" weapon that doesn't like certain ammo. I have storm lake barrels for my glock 20 and an KKM "EDM - Electro-Discharge Machining" barrel for my glock 23. I have not found any ammo they wont shoot well and have had 1 failure to feed on my glock 20 (more than 5k rounds through it) The failure to feed may have been related to more than 300 rounds through it, not cleaning it, then taking it back out 2 weeks later. You can pay about $90 - $200 for a standard (non ported) replacement barrel for a glock 23, the more expensive ones tend to be higher quality (typically more accurate) - I can hit an IDPA target at 100yards about 70% of the time with my glock 20 with it's storm lake barrel. You can also get extended and ported after market barrels, they cost a little more, stick out of the gun and throw muzzle flash into your sight picture, but they reduce muzzle climb and recoil. One last thing - Most after market barrels are stainless steel, which provides a different "look" to the glock, black frame, black slide, silver chamber and barrel. But the Stainless steel is less corrossion resistant than the glock Tenifer finish.
 
I repeat, I have been shoting lead bullets through my Glocks for many years with no problems. We're talking 40,000 rounds of lead reloads with no problems.
 
Gammon,

As long as you're dilligent about cleaning it and don't shoot several 100 rounds at a session, you will most likely never have a problem. The problem is lead build up increasing chamber pressure to the failure point.

Also, are you using gas-checked lead bullets or bare lead bullets? The copper gas check at the back of the bullet will actually help reduce the lead build up as it contours to the barrel rifling.
 
glocks

the problem seem to be more in the 40 cal than the nines.I have just seen in other sites several blown 40s.may be its the pressure in the 40s.guess I will stay with my 1911s.
 
So I ordered the Lone wolf and it came in today. Went to the gun club earlier with some 'remanufactured' lead loads.
Here's the funny part. With the lead loads the gun was hanging up. Seems they weren't resized well and wouldn't quite fit into the chamber. My cor-bon +p loads chambered with no issues.
Is it a bad idea to shoot lead only from my factory barrel and use the lone wolf for jacketed and carry purposes?

Check your crimp. i had that problem when i first started to reload. little bit of a crimp and it fed fine. that being said, i wouldn't CC w/ lead. lead is a cheap alternative good for target practice and whatnot (in my opinion). I wouldn't bet my life on it.
 
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