Healey Suspends Enforcement of Long Gun Roster

[KAG Arms]

My daily-carry change management is CVS, for its knock-down power. Col. Cooper always looked down on that newfangled SVN and all the plastic it's coded on.


A. Curse you for beating me to this.
B. SVN is ancient now. We're old.

What if I told you I used RCS at my first job.

 

[Marty McFly]

Explain Vietnam then

It's gotta be a world War to count

 

[theciviliansupply]

All firearms are substantially similar; they fire a projectile with the pull of the trigger.

This is the truth. Anyone can find any reason why any firearm is substantially similar to the next. Or vice versa.

 

[pastera]

What about parts (C), (D) and (E). Part (D) of (A) takes you back to (C) which shouldn't be a problem.

I was addressing the copies and duplicates section (part (f))
Within the definition of "assault-style firearm":
Part (C) is semiautomatic shotguns so irrelevant to this conversation.
Part (D) is the new assault-style roster which will be updated to include any workarounds
Part (E) is the enumerated list which is why we are in this position

As far as part (D) calling back to part (A) - I don't see that. All I see is that the new gun control board can add any firearm to the assault-style roster they feel like adding since there isn't a standard proscribed for that roster.

But there is an error in (D) where it calls out section 128A instead of section 131-3/4

 

[chris_1001]

Ok but that doesnt fit my narrative here

My bad, carry on...

 

[icyclefar]

10/2 is irrelevant.

It has to have been IN MASS. ON 8/1 to be exempt from the ASF restrictions.

But yes, because she signed the emergency preamble, you can do all that dirty stuff to your rifle now instead of waiting until 10/23.

How are we feeling about doing dirty stuff to semi auto shotguns with detachable magazines?

 

[pastera]

How are we feeling about doing dirty stuff to semi auto shotguns with detachable magazines?

Who am I to judge your sexual preferences?

 

[milktree]

How are we feeling about doing dirty stuff to semi auto shotguns with detachable magazines?

If it meets the definition of "Assault-style firearm" and it was in-state on 8/1, you can be as kinky as you want.

 

[icyclefar]

Who am I to judge your sexual preferences?

Give me a break, you guys are the judgiest group of bastids on the inter webs.

 

[pastera]

Give me a break, you guys are the judgiest group of bastids on the inter webs.

No judgment at all
There just isn't a lot of sexy stuff they banned on shorties
Folding/telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Second hand grip

And detachable mags are separately regulated so no fun there either.

 

[Glonkguy]

An AR lower is NOT a banned firearm.

So I can still purchase a lower and efa10 it?

 

[KAG Arms]

So I can still purchase a lower and efa10 it?

There is no efa10 under the new law.

 

[pastera]

An AR lower is NOT a banned firearm.

167 (f) a copy or duplicate of any firearm meeting the standards of or enumerated in clauses (d) and (e); provided, that for the purposes of this subsection, “copy or duplicate” shall mean a firearm:

(A) that was manufactured or subsequently configured with an ability to accept a detachable magazine; and​

(B)​

(i) that has internal functional components that are substantially similar in construction and configuration to those of an enumerated firearm in clauses (d) and (e); or​

(ii) that has a receiver that is the same as or interchangeable with the receiver of an enumerated firearm in said clauses (d) and (e);​

provided further, that the firearm shall not be considered a copy or duplicate of a firearm identified in clauses (d) and (e) if sold, owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016[/INDENT]

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230 “Firearm”, a stun gun, pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, sawed-off shotgun, large capacity firearm, assault-style firearm and machine gun, loaded or unloaded, which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a shot or bullet; the frame or receiver of any such firearm or the unfinished frame or receiver of any such firearm; provided, however, that “firearm” shall not include any antique firearm or permanently inoperable firearm.

So given that a receiver is now a firearm and, as such an ASF, a plain reading says an AR lower is banned.
I know FFLs get further guidance so the actual interpretation allowing receivers to be sold may not be common knowledge.
Second question - once a post 8/1 receiver is transferred, what is the end user supposed to do with it? Even if the receiver itself is not banned, once it is built out then it is a banned firearm.

 

[KAG Arms]

So given that a receiver is now a firearm and, as such an ASF, a plain reading says an AR lower is banned.
I know FFLs get further guidance so the actual interpretation allowing receivers to be sold may not be common knowledge.
Second question - once a post 8/1 receiver is transferred, what is the end user supposed to do with it? Even if the receiver itself is not banned, once it is built out then it is a banned firearm.

I heard you last time on how when I point out where you are wrong, you tend to perceive them as "thinly veiled insults" so in the interest of public decorum I will refrain from answering.

 

[pastera]

I heard you last time on how when I point out where you are wrong, you tend to perceive them as "thinly veiled insults" so in the interest of public decorum I will refrain from answering.

If you are referring to a fixed mag lower then make that clear - the majority of people will not link that very narrow exception and take your assertion in a broad interpretation.

The current definition of firearm includes the frame or receiver of a firearm, the ATF considers an AR lower receiver the "firearm", and the definition of an ASF includes the frames and receivers of enumerated firearms being copies & duplicates therefore an ASF on its own (since receiver = firearm)

Also, sorry for bringing this topic back up - for some reason your post got marked as my unread point and I didn't notice the date before responding (thought it was a current post)

 

[CrackPot]

I checked my Ibooks pdf save from the law and Section 153 is in there. Not sure how we all missed it but I was under the impression FID holders were instant felons.

@CrackPot

FID holders possessing semi auto shotguns or rifles are not felons. Yes. That is a direct consequence of changing what a FID holder is allowed to possess.

 

[dukeofsoul]

So given that a receiver is now a firearm and, as such an ASF, a plain reading says an AR lower is banned.
I know FFLs get further guidance so the actual interpretation allowing receivers to be sold may not be common knowledge.
Second question - once a post 8/1 receiver is transferred, what is the end user supposed to do with it? Even if the receiver itself is not banned, once it is built out then it is a banned firearm.

I hear post 8/1 receivers make expensive paperweights!

 

[pastera]

I hear post 8/1 receivers make expensive paperweights!

No, they make very gay, fixed mag guns.

 

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