Ha ha, you know for "a fact" huh? I know Carl well enough, probably better than you...but that's neither here nor there. What's pertinent here is your ridiculous claim that SD was 4S without the drive. Don't try and back peddle saying you were referring to customer service or "personality"
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Anyone who's been to both shops knows that's just absurd. Also, like myself and Diskothek pointed out, your posts DO sound like sad salesman's pitches for Sportsmen's Den, it's really pathetic. All it takes is a few seconds reviewing your posts to prove my point there.
Like I said, I think SD is a decent shop, no problems with the shop or Ron...whenever I've been in there he has been quite accommodating. However, it is MY opinion that HTP is a better shop, they employ an in-house as well as a secondary gunsmith, larger selection of firearms & ammunition as well as accessories, typically have more counter help on hand than SD, prices are on par with any area gun shop, lastly
it has been my experience that HTP's customer service is just as good as if not better than any shop out there.