I want a Revolver that can do this (Know of any to purchase in MA?)

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I'd like something like this for the home. Something I know my girl will be able to shoot and not miss![laugh]

Actually she is a really good shot, but having a small hand canon in the size of a revolver is nice.

....has anyone mentioned that Mass sucks?

Let me know of anyone has seen one around..... or knows another company that makes something like this.

 
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I have very serious concerns about 410 loads from a 20" barrel shotgun being sufficient for a home defense gun. I don't think any shot, including the so-called "slug" achieves the 12" of penetration in gelatin that you should look for in any gun you're going to bet your life on. Out of a 6" or 4" barrel, .410 penetration is going to be even more laughable.

Get it because it's cool or fun to shoot. But people, like the gentleman in this Youtube video, who advocate .410 handguns for self or home defense, are giving poor advice. I'd feel better with good .380, and a 9mm is about twice as good as the so-called "hand cannon."

Sorry to rain on the parade. To answer the original question: I've seen them around from time to time. It's one of those guns you have to go and look for.
 
These .410 rounds from Winchester look interesting.

PDX1™ in 410 Gauge

Highly effective in both shotguns and 410 compatible handguns, the PDX1 in 410 gauge features a distinctive black hull and black oxide high-base head and combines three plated Defense Disc™ projectiles and 12 pellets of plated BB shot. The result is the ideal personal protection load for short range engagement with the performance needed to stop threats. This load is also suitable for varmint hunting and pest control. Designed for use in the Taurus Judge, this new personal defense round provides maximum protection at close range.

• 410 ga. 2 1/2”, 3 Defense Disc™ projectiles with 12 BBs
• 10 rd box
• Availability: February 2010
 
Thanks for the responses. Sounds like a little more research is in order on this kind of load or gun. I don't have any real arguments based upon what has been said, but I find it hard that this gun wouldn't work as described in the video.
 
Maybe I don't get it. Why can't you shoot the snake-shot loads out of a regular revolver? All it's good for is fairly close varmint control.
 
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If it's good enough for Max Payne it's good enough for your girlfriend.

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ASHDUMP said:
Thanks for the responses. Sounds like a little more research is in order on this kind of load or gun. I don't have any real arguments based upon what has been said, but I find it hard that this gun wouldn't work as described in the video.
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Unfortunately, .410 shotgun shells are pretty wimpy out of a real shotgun. Putting them in a revolver makes people think it's amazing because it says "shotgun" and is a handgun.

ARowley said:
These .410 rounds from Winchester look interesting.
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They do; but no matter what you do, you're going to get, at most, a slug at or around the weight of a .380 round, at 9mm velocities.

Don't get me wrong, it's still better than a sharp stick, and I do think it's performed successfully in the real world at least once. But looking just at the math, and not at the word "shotgun", it's just not for me.

EDIT: Just as some people feel comfortable with a .25ACP, some people feel comfortable with a shot-shell that's essentially 3 or 4 shots of .25ACP. And there's nothing wrong with that.
 
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yanici said:
Maybe I don't get it. Why can't you shoot the snake-shot loads out of a regular revolver? All it's got for is fairly close varmint control.
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.38 snake shot loads in my S&W 36 are good enough for me, (if I were hiking in snake country that is) I see no need for the Judge other than it looks cool and shoots 45LC.
 
I tend to think the .410 would be more effective than most give it credit for. For instance, I have killed 2 deer with one shot each, 140 and 165lbs dressed, with a .410 at around 50 yards both times. And most typical self defense situations are far closer than that. A 90gr slug at 1700fps and 700lb/ft of energy is going to ruin your day, and I can't imagine that 4 pieces of 000 buck are going to feel much better. Even a load of #4 birdshot is going to be a very stiff deterrent. A load of #4 shot to the face from 10 feet is going to stop you dead in your tracks, and probably remove your eyes in the process. While I would only use 3" shells, I can't see .410 being any less effective than a .380, and probably close to or better than a 9mm.
And as far as the Judge is concerned, who says you must carry shot shells? It also uses .45 Colt, which is a damn good defense caliber IMHO. The 45 colt has similar ballistics to the .45 ACP, and many consider that to be acceptable for defense. While it's not the best by any stretch, I'm quite sure that it would be as effective if not more so than many of the "pocket guns" that are being carried by many. I know I would feel a hell of a lot safer with 5 rounds of 45 colt/.410 than I would with 7 rounds of .32acp or .380. About the only compact option (I am not stating the judge to be overly compact) I would think to be far and away better is a .357 mag, and the recoil from a light snubbie is very stout, probably more so than most women would care for.

While it may not be the best option ever, I don't see the Judge as being terrible by any means. As long as the proper load is used, I see no reason why it wouldn't be as effective as most other defense pistols. And it also has a bit more versatility and a huge cool factor.

Some may feel differently, but I wouldn't hesitate to carry a Judge. With 5-225gr .45 colt rounds packing 500lb/ft of energy at 900 FPS, I would feel very safe indeed. Maybe add a round of 000-buck or #4 or BB, and I would be good to go.

It's only my opinion. You don't need to ream me out about it, as I know others feel differently.
 
Home defense for me is .45 caliber pistol or 12 gauge shot gun (18" barrel) either one will knock a bad guy on there @ss and probably won't be getting up.
 
45LC is one of my more favorite calibers and I did briefly consider adding a Judge to my collection but rationally, I can't see the usefulness in using 410 shotgun loads in it. Ruling out the use of the 410 loads, it becomes just another big, heavy, 5 shot revolver. If you want a 45LC for home defense just buy a S&W 25 or similar. Actually, I've thought of finding an old New Service to keep in the bedside table.
 
Kenny474 said:
It's only my opinion. You don't need to ream me out about it, as I know others feel differently.
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I don't mean to ream people; I'm not an "operator" in the "sandbox" or a ninja or a tacticool operator. I just enjoy math and ballistics, and feel like I should point out that if you care about ballistics gelatin penetration, a .410 slug and buckshot performance is not especially good. Out of a 20" barrel, you can blast that 90 grain slug at rifle speeds, which is impressive (and good enough for deer; nice shooting!). I just don't think you'll get more than 9mm speeds out of a 6" barrel, and 90 soft grains at 1200 fps is just not going to penetrate 12". The Box of Truth has a .410 pistol article around, which I can't Google at the moment.

I totally agree that a bunch of even birdshot in the face will ruin anyone's day, agree with huge cool factor. And really, alot of this is just me being an internet geek. I'm happy they sell a ton of Judges, as it's an innovation, and I hope their sales will encourage other companies to try different things. But as a ballistics geek, .410 pistols are not for me. And this being an internet forum, I like to try to convince others of my view [grin].

The venerable .45 'Long' Colt is, of course, a different story. A fine and venerable cartridge, with a proven record.
 
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That guy is a tool, with his cheap ass nylon "tactical" holster flopping all around. And watch on the third shot as he cocks the pistol with it pointing at his feet.

Dumb ass.
 
Pilgrim said:
Anyone who wants can come sneaking in my house and get a load of ANYTHING out of a .410 at less than 20 feet, and if you can get up off the floor, I'll buy you a beer....


http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm

birdshot: 2.5 in penetration
buckshot: 4.5 inches
slug: 15 inches
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From the link, 15 inches is from a .45 Long Colt round. The slug actually penetrated 7.5 inches.

Again, I don't want to get hit with 2.5, 4.5, or 7.5 inches of penetration, but that the real handgun round does twice a .410 slug is my point.
 
I would have no problem trusting my personal or house defense to .410 buckshot or slug.
The .410 is the Rodney Dangerfield of shotguns.
 
Jose said:
That guy is a tool, with his cheap ass nylon "tactical" holster flopping all around. And watch on the third shot as he cocks the pistol with it pointing at his feet.

Dumb ass.
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That, and his claim that with the 000 Buck load, "they're going backwards!"... right after he just fired it one handed. Equal and opposite reactions, and all that, so why didn't he get knocked on his butt? Oh, perhaps it's because he's spouting mythical BS instead of facts!
 

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