Is this a good trade or what?

[Silverguns6]

I'm meeting a guy today to trade one of my rifles+ ammo and stuff for two of his guns +ammo.
What he has:
-91/30 Mosin Nagant, matching #'s and 300-400rnds of surlpus ammo.
-"Perfect cond" NEF Pardner single shot B/A .410 with some ammo.
What I am trading him for the above guns:
-Savage model 170. Pump action 30-30WIN with 340 rounds of 30-30, a soft case, ammo bandoleer and also a Kershaw Military boot knife and $30.
Here are some phjotos of the Nagant and the Savage.Good deal or what?

 

[atilla]

your rifle goes for between $275 - $385 on gunbroker--however, only the $275 one has a bid on it.

.30-30 ammo is about $0.72/rd so $246.

your total: ~$521 - $631 in guns/ammo.

x54r goes for about $0.20/rd, so that is worth $60 - 80.

NEF shotgun is worth between $50 - $150 depending on condition.

mosin is about $150 - $160.

his total: ~$260 - $390 in guns/ammo.

it appears based on these numbers i dug up off the in-tar-webs that you're losing on this deal.

 

[Sir_Macadoo]

mathematics notwithstanding, a 30-30 pump w/ ammo against a M/N w/ammo and a little shotty... id keep the 30-30.

 

[Boghog1]

mathematics notwithstanding, a 30-30 pump w/ ammo against a M/N w/ammo and a little shotty... id keep the 30-30.

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if you want a Mosin, spend the $120

 

[gscott]

Your 30/30 is a good rifle. Personally I'd keep it or sell it and just buy a Mosin and pocket the extra cash or use it to buy more ammo

 

[mclina]

I agree with the above, but if you have already agreed to the trade and set up a meeting, you'd be a d'bag if you backed out.

If you are happy with the deal, then that's what matters.

 

[Silverguns6]

Ok thanks guys, I know the NEF isn't worth much b/c its nothing special. I honestly didn't consider the math part of the deal except I know what my stuff is worth. On the other note, I've had another trade offer, this guy is much closer to me than the other guy. He has a #4 Mk1 Enfield in .303 with 250rnds of ammo. I've talked with this guy before and seen the rifle and its very nice. I've also owned two enfields in the past and love 'em.
BUT, in todays market:
-Which is cheaper? 30-30 or .303?
-Which is more abundant? 30-30 or. 303?

IMO the 30-30 I have I am hesitant to liquidate but, it is a pain to field strip and DCOA. There is IMO more which can go wrong wih a pump action than a bolt action in a SHTF or WROL scenario. The 30-30 holds less than 5 rounds and isn't easy to reload quickly.
I know the Enfields average at aprox $345.

Mclina, we have yet to arrange the actual meeting time and place although both of us are available today, I told him that I would be in New Haven from 12pm to 2pm, he said he is free after 2. He hasn't called me back or anything yet. Not that I am impatent, but he is almost an 1 1/2 hrs from New haven as am I and I really cannot stick around for hours waiting for him to show up.

 

[1903Collector]

Is it a good deal....How bad do you want Mosin and the single shot?

 

[atilla]

.303 is hard to find, i don't know about .30-30 as i don't own anything chambered in that... so naturally i am not looking for it.

 

[Silverguns6]

.303 is hard to find, i don't know about .30-30 as i don't own anything chambered in that... so naturally i am not looking for it.

Midway USA has Prvi .303 for $16 a box, which is around what I pay for 30-30 ammo. Whats funny is that .303 and 30-30 cartridges are almost identical. These prvi rounds are the same grain as the 30-30 I have. But can 30-30 be fired from a .303? Probably not lol.

 

[atilla]

you're not good at this "gun thing", are you?

if it's not stamped for it, don't jam it in your rifle.

 

[drgrant]

Instead of trying to horse trade sell everything and buy what you actually want... on a trade 85% of the time someone is getting screwed.

 

[Lukes83]

you're not good at this "gun thing", are you?

if it's not stamped for it, don't jam it in your rifle.

Hey it might work.... Once.

 

[asp]

I didn't need atilla's math to decide that you'd be losing on the deal. .30-30 is a cool cartridge, but the fact that it's a pump action is even better. Someone will be along shortly to remove a corner from your Man Card should you decide to part with that gun... unless you sell it to me.

.30-30 isn't too bad to find. It's not a semi auto rifle cartridge, so it's definitely out there. It's one of those calibers that's never going to go away. And it will always be there if you cast and reload

 

[Silverguns6]

you're not good at this "gun thing", are you?

if it's not stamped for it, don't jam it in your rifle.

You're not good at detecting sarcasm, are you?

 

[Silverguns6]

I didn't need atilla's math to decide that you'd be losing on the deal. .30-30 is a cool cartridge, but the fact that it's a pump action is even better. Someone will be along shortly to remove a corner from your Man Card should you decide to part with that gun... unless you sell it to me.

.30-30 isn't too bad to find. It's not a semi auto rifle cartridge, so it's definitely out there. It's one of those calibers that's never going to go away. And it will always be there if you cast and reload

It is a great cartridge and occasionally I do find it locally for under $20 a box. Reloading is something I need to get into, money wise, I gotta wait a few months. Been spending a good amount of money buying baby stuff and getting our (my fiance and I) daughters room ready and stuff.

I should put this out there, I am keeping about 500 rounds of 30-30 and I do plan on buying a lever 30-30 in the future. Don't get me wrong either about the Savage, I love it but I rarely have shot it and I have been looking for something different for a few months. I have guns I will and will not trade, this one sadly I have no problems parting with. Go on, hate me for it, you're all just jealous that you didn't get dibs.

 

[atilla]

You're not good at detecting sarcasm, are you?

no. i'm the most humorless piece of shit on NES.

you're welcome for the math that kept you from getting boned.

 

[rcwhat]

You stated that you already agreed to the deal in the first post. I'm with mclina

 

[mac1911]

Still a better trade than going to kittery or and gun shop and trading it in.....
Thing with deals is .......if your asking you are already 2nd quessing. As for a rifle your not useing I hear you there. I have unloaded several guns that just sit. I didn't use them 20+ years ago and I wouldnt be useing them still. All I know is I recovered my original cost or better on all of my sales.

 

[Realtor MA]

Not true. A deal isn't a deal until the items are exchanged. While I believe he shouldn't have agreed first and researched later he is entitled to change his mind. Provided he calls and cancels the meet.

You stated that you already agreed to the deal in the first post. I'm with mclina

 

[mclina]

Not true. A deal isn't a deal until the items are exchanged. While I believe he shouldn't have agreed first and researched later he is entitled to change his mind. Provided he calls and cancels the meet.

Are you saying that once you agree on a deal with someone, it is OK to keep looking for a better offer until the items are exchanged? In my mind, as soon as I agree to a deal, it is done.

 

[Realtor MA]

Are you saying that once you agree on a deal with someone, it is OK to keep looking for a better offer until the items are exchanged? In my mind, as soon as I agree to a deal, it is done.

I don't think it's fair to enter a deal knowing that you're going to continue to shop. I also like to think that people are true to their word so if they say they want something then they are actually planning on buying it. But I also don't think there's a hard line that says two people who agreed on something can't change their mind. Particularly if one of them decides that they arent getting a fair deal and I think trades are particularly tricky.

That being said I recently paid a whole bunch more for ammo than I wanted to because I sent a pm saying. "I'll take it". Problem was i saw the classified ad while my client was walking in the door. I did the math quickly in my head and thought it was a good deal and sent the pm. My math was off but I bought the stuff anyway just to keep the peace.

 

[Kyarno]

You win some, you lose some -- go with what YOU want to get in return.

But I'll totally trade you my shitbucket 1891 Mosin for your setup if you want. I'll even throw in some ammo, too!

 

[coastie]

Why not just trade it towards a lever 30-30? If you 800 plus rounds already why screw around with getting some other cal?


ETA: Just read your post about ban guns in the Survival forum. If you already have a Marlin lever 30-30 why are you getting rid of any of the ammo?

 

[Silverguns6]

You stated that you already agreed to the deal in the first post. I'm with mclina

Yes, we agreed on my gun for his two but we did not set up a time to meet. His only available day is Saturday, mine was yesterday. Both of us would have to drive a little over an hour to meet in New Haven, I won't be in that area for another 3 weeks and he is not sure when he would be able to get there. As of yesterday the trade is postponed but likely not happening.

 

[Silverguns6]

Why not just trade it towards a lever 30-30? If you 800 plus rounds already why screw around with getting some other cal?


ETA: Just read your post about ban guns in the Survival forum. If you already have a Marlin lever 30-30 why are you getting rid of any of the ammo?

I still am keeping a good amount of 30-30. I still have the Marlin, its a safe queen and its also stainless. I am waiting to find a blued one and when I do I will be trading my Marlin towards it.

I said before that I've just been looking for something different to shoot. My Savage cost me nothing because it was my fathers. I don't know what he paid for it in the 1970's but he gave me this rifle when I graduated from high school. Again, I don't mind selling or trading a firearm which I rarely use for another gun.

 

[Silverguns6]

Are you saying that once you agree on a deal with someone, it is OK to keep looking for a better offer until the items are exchanged? In my mind, as soon as I agree to a deal, it is done.

I agree for the most part on that, but I don't take down an ad until the transaction occurs. In many cases when I am looking to do a trade and not sell, not just this one I will put an ad up, and wait until I get at least 5 replies or so before I commit to one person. I email all the people as the reply to my ad and tell them I want to see what others offer me and I will make a choice in a few days.

 

[Silverguns6]

no. i'm the most humorless piece of shit on NES.

you're welcome for the math that kept you from getting boned.

As much as the math doesn't matter to me, I appreciate you doing so to help me put the value into perspective; which is what I wanted to get out of this thread hence the title.
If someone has a gun I like and to me is worth it, and they are willing to trade it for a gun which I have and don't mind trading, the $ value doesn't matter to me as much as it should unless the gun is an AR-15 which I have built and whatnot or a C&R, high-end gun or a nice surplus gun.
I know what my 30-30 Savage is worth, I know what I had invested in the ammo and whatnot, if someone offered a H&R Handirifle for it, I would kindly decline the offer unless they had 3 of them with ammo.