Kuhner on WRKO now - Government buying bullets as a backdoor form of gun control

[AngelKing]

He's speculating that the fed, namely the dhs, is buying ammunition as a means of disarmament.

That makes more sense to me than the Alex Jones "FEMA CAMP" roundup conspiracy. Id say "time to reload" but that may have been good if I started a year ago.[sad2]

 

[MagGus1820]

Kuhner is, at best, a hypocritical idiot. He might be right on some topics but makes it clear he is a moron in others.

 

[Horrible]

Kuhner is, at best, a hypocritical idiot. He might be right on some topics but makes it clear he is a moron in others.

What you say may be true, but he has an interesting theory. Why else does the Fed need 1.6B rounds? The target practice answer that has been given has a lot of people scratching their heads.

 

[Bob J]

Still a good idea to reload if you can..... It's not only the supply availability but the cost......

 

[Bob J]

What you say may be true, but he has an interesting theory. Why else does the Fed need 1.6B rounds? The target practice answer that has been given has a lot of people scratching their heads.

It's not the Fed but specifically DHS..... The better question is why does Homeland Security need 1.6B (and counting) rounds? By my math it's over 5 rounds for every man woman and child currently in the US. Clearly they are prepping for something.......

 

[NHCraigT]

Read something the other day that stated that they want even more, which puts the allocation well over 2 billion now.

- Just sayin...

 

[Horrible]

It's not the Fed but specifically DHS..... The better question is why does Homeland Security need 1.6B (and counting) rounds? By my math it's over 5 rounds for every man woman and child currently in the US. Clearly they are prepping for something.......

Exactly. What are they prearing for? Or are they INTENTIONALLY trying to jack the prices up in the short term as a backdoor gun control tactic? Or is there another perfectly logical reason? Nobody knows.

 

[namedpipes]

What you say may be true, but he has an interesting theory. Why else does the Fed need 1.6B rounds? The target practice answer that has been given has a lot of people scratching their heads.

Winning a war is about unlimited logistics.

If AR15 mfg and dealers can tell NYS there will be no more sales to LE until the ban is repealed then ammo mfg and dealers can do the same.

DHS will take up the slack if they need to.

 

[Terminator03]

This is a plausible theory, but it is only a short term solution since the ammo manufactures will ramp up production to meet demand and sooner or later they will catch up. The .gov can't indefinitely continue buying ammo just to keep it out of the hands of the public, that is just stupidity. It would probably be far easier to force the companies out of business. I see reloading becoming WAY more popular if this retardation continues, though.

 

[Billsail]

This is a plausible theory, but it is only a short term solution since the ammo manufactures will ramp up production to meet demand and sooner or later they will catch up. The .gov can't indefinitely continue buying ammo just to keep it out of the hands of the public, that is just stupidity. It would probably be far easier to force the companies out of business. I see reloading becoming WAY more popular if this retardation continues, though.

I agree, it won't go on forever, and more should start reloading, but playing devils' advocate here, what would stop them from buying up all the components?

 

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snopes.com: Social Security administration Ammunition Purchase

 

[Gidge]

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[Bill Katt]

Can't trust Snopes when it comes to the .gov.

Interesting theory about the 'back door' thing.....however that only explains the shortage of .40HP's Who's buying everything else? lol

 

[Nick Fury]

With all the DHS vehicles I see going in and out of Boston I am surprised no members have chimed in with any sort of inside scoop. Are we all just "Common Folk" here?

 

[EddyMunster]

If I were a smart man, I'd go out and buy a .40 handgun. At some point there's going to be lots of .40 surplus I'll bet.

 

[namedpipes]

snopes.com: Social Security administration Ammunition Purchase

Can't trust Snopes when it comes to the .gov.

Interesting theory about the 'back door' thing.....however that only explains the shortage of .40HP's Who's buying everything else? lol

Unless my calculator is wrong that is ~ 500 rounds per agent or ~ 4k rounds per location. That isn't huge or unreasonable apart from the "hunh?" of Social Security agents being armed. But if they are, keeping a few hundred rounds each on hand isn't unreasonable.

Now what DHS needs with nearly two BILLION rounds, I dunno.

 

[MichaelJR]

Am I the only one wondering where these are being stored?

 

[RockIt]

Every social security office has an armed guard. Every IRS office has an armed guard.

As for reloading. It is getting very difficult to get components. Ammunition mfg's obviously get served first by powder makers and other component makers. They are way bigger customers than hand loaders.

The .gov is not trying to backdoor gun control by buying up all the ammo. When this started we all watched shooters rush to their nearest gunshop and start buying as much ammo as they could lay their hands on. The pipeline has been drained all the way back to the source. It is as if everyone in a town has turned on every faucet and fire hydrant. After a while, the water tower empties out and only a trickle flows.

Once mfg's start to catch up, then the hoarders will start to relax. They will start to shoot up their stockpiles and there will be a mini glut of ammo until the mfg's adjust downward again.

 

[namedpipes]

. . . and there will be a mini glut of ammo until the mfg's adjust downward again.

Which is when *I* start building back up my stocks.

 

[calsdad]

Winning a war is about unlimited logistics.

If AR15 mfg and dealers can tell NYS there will be no more sales to LE until the ban is repealed then ammo mfg and dealers can do the same.

DHS will take up the slack if they need to.

I read somewhere recently that the ammunition manufacturing capacity in this country is BILLION rounds a week.

If that is even half true - the government has a LONG way to go to win the war of "logistics" - because the people are outspending and out-hoarding them by a large margin.

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This is a plausible theory, but it is only a short term solution since the ammo manufactures will ramp up production to meet demand and sooner or later they will catch up. The .gov can't indefinitely continue buying ammo just to keep it out of the hands of the public, that is just stupidity. It would probably be far easier to force the companies out of business. I see reloading becoming WAY more popular if this retardation continues, though.

Anybody who has thought this thru fully - and has read Boston's Gun Bible - would be stocking up on reloading supplies and getting fully equipped with reloading equipment.

 

[calsdad]

Am I the only one wondering where these are being stored?

Somebody ought to figure out how to use one of those Google map thingies to map out all the government ammunition storage locations around the country - sort of like the maps you can find online to see if there's a pedo in your neighborhood.

Then just start mapping out the locations.............

 

[Terminator03]

Am I the only one wondering where these are being stored?

Nope, because that would be some very strategic knowledge for "go time"!

 

[Terminator03]

I read somewhere recently that the ammunition manufacturing capacity in this country is BILLION rounds a week.

If that is even half true - the government has a LONG way to go to win the war of "logistics" - because the people are outspending and out-hoarding them by a large margin.

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Anybody who has thought this thru fully - and has read Boston's Gun Bible - would be stocking up on reloading supplies and getting fully equipped with reloading equipment.

I agree, and that is one of my top priorities for this year, and will likely take precedence over any more firearm purchases since having a whole bunch of guns won't do anyone any good without the boolits.

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Somebody ought to figure out how to use one of those Google map thingies to map out all the government ammunition storage locations around the country - sort of like the maps you can find online to see if there's a pedo in your neighborhood.

Then just start mapping out the locations.............

And printing them out in case Obammer throws that there intraweb kill switch thingamabob.

 

[namedpipes]

the government has a LONG way to go to win the war of "logistics" - because the people are outspending and out-hoarding them by a large margin.

I sincerely hope you are correct.

 

[cbrxx]

Got an out of state friend in the DHS and this came up. Basically they have a lot of employees that carry and that is a contract for a supply over 5 years, not all at once, so the numbers end up in same ballpark as the Social Security.

 

[marleythefish]

reloading is a great answer,, ok need some primers................................

 

[SR556]

I doubt this theory. It would make sense if the DHS was buying .22LR, 9mm, .45, 5.56/.223, .308, etc and tens of billions of rounds of it.

So much ammo is made every day it would be impossible for the government to buy even half of it. It would be like trying to buy every cigarette made in the US.

 

[jtorbin88]

Saw some where in a thread that they ate storing them in unmarked shipping containers painted olive drab in military bases around the country MJR not even a joke post. Some one said they've seen them delivered on flat beds and that most of the containers are unguarded lol maybe there giving them to Mexico?

 

[goodzilla]

Am I the only one wondering where these are being stored?

Here's what to look for if you need some .40 when the SHTF.

Obama Administration Repositioning Homeland Security Ammunition Containers | The Gateway Pundit

 

[bazfoo]

If that is even half true - the government has a LONG way to go to win the war of "logistics" - because the people are outspending and out-hoarding them by a large margin.

Maybe, but they are buying it with OUR money. They can get more or OUR money by raising taxes. I wish it were that easy for me to make more money.