Leftwing hypocrisy on parade.

[rtebeau]

your right i have seen republicans who are anti-hunting, the difference is the ones i have seen tend to think, you hunt.....good for you, they dont like it but they dont hold it against anyone else. I obviously havent met everyone so there prob are some that are like this, I have however seen a lot of anti-gun left wingers who are exactly like this. Ive been called a child killer, ive been told that im prob gonna end up killing my daughter one day..... Given the odds, more than likely these were Left Wingers.

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[calsdad]

Let's be serious here, what do you think the exchange is there? I give it about 60% moonbat, at least.

There are plenty of antis in both parties, but the lefties/commies still own the lions share, particularly in this part of the country. I would bet nearly everything most of the "abusive" people who posted in that feed live in some big dump city somewhere.

-Mike

And they were probably sitting at their Apple computer typing out their Twitter anti-hunting rant while eating a hot dog and bunch of chicken fingers.

I can go find some pictures of hogs and chickens raised in factory farms in case people don't get the reasons why this would make somebody doing this a special type of retard.

 

[glockstones]

see it is acceptable for you to die so you don't kill anyone else, get it?

 

[Baikal49]

your right i have seen republicans who are anti-hunting, the difference is the ones i have seen tend to think, you hunt.....good for you, they dont like it but they dont hold it against anyone else. I obviously havent met everyone so there prob are some that are like this, I have however seen a lot of anti-gun left wingers who are exactly like this. Ive been called a child killer, ive been told that im prob gonna end up killing my daughter one day..... Given the odds, more than likely these were Left Wingers.

There are many liberals I know who are against hunting until you bring to their attention a) the conservation program nature of hunting, and b) the fact that many, if not most, hunters consume the animals they take. I don't hunt, but have enjoyed liberal friends' venison stews every fall. It's never a good idea to paint with too broad a brush. There are nut jobs of all persuasions.

 

[Baikal49]

I'd bet gay, liberal, Democrat but hey whatever floats your boat.

Ever been to a Log Cabin Republican meeting?
http://www.logcabin.org/site/c.nsKSL7PMLpF/b.5468093/k.BE4C/Home.htm

 

[Baikal49]

Let's be serious here, what do you think the exchange is there? I give it about 60% moonbat, at least.

There are plenty of antis in both parties, but the lefties/commies still own the lions share, particularly in this part of the country. I would bet nearly everything most of the "abusive" people who posted in that feed live in some big dump city somewhere.

-Mike

Damn. I haven't seen a communist in years! I've met some democratic socialists in this country of the European variety. There are probably a couple of very old Trotskyists around from the 60s. And I did meet one died in the wool Stalinist who was really just a woman with mental problems. She could just as easily have been a John Bircher. Beware the broad brush. BTW, I come from the Center of the UNiverse, to wit, Manhattan.

 

[JohnMarston]

eff the people, there are always going to be nay sayers no matter what you say publically. you could say you love bunnys and someone would turn around and say bunnys are the scourge of the earth.

aside from the crap...she has some really pretty eyes! not to mention she is a shooter, the next Mrs. Saw? only in my dreams

 

[cekim]

Damn. I haven't seen a communist in years! I've met some democratic socialists in this country of the European variety. There are probably a couple of very old Trotskyists around from the 60s. And I did meet one died in the wool Stalinist who was really just a woman with mental problems. She could just as easily have been a John Bircher. Beware the broad brush. BTW, I come from the Center of the UNiverse, to wit, Manhattan.

I don't broad brushes either, I do like to look at outcomes...

Socialism's for example...

 

[pernox]

There are many liberals I know who are against hunting until you bring to their attention a) the conservation program nature of hunting, and b) the fact that many, if not most, hunters consume the animals they take. I don't hunt, but have enjoyed liberal friends' venison stews every fall. It's never a good idea to paint with too broad a brush. There are nut jobs of all persuasions.

Who wants to waste that much time talking to a liberal?

Looking at the link in your sig makes it abundantly clear that you people have nothing in common with those who value their Liberty.

 

[Baikal49]

I don't broad brushes either, I do like to look at outcomes...

Socialism's for example...

Well. Infant mortality rates show a number of socialist or countries with active socialist parties sharing or having power that have better rates than the US. Sweden #5; Italy #9; France #11; Finland #12; Norway #14; USA #49.

Life expectancy finds the US again behind most other European countries and Canada providing national medical care--socialized medicine as it is negatively called in our country. Single payer systems to those in the know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

 

[Baikal49]

Who wants to waste that much time talking to a liberal?

Looking at the link in your sig makes it abundantly clear that you people have nothing in common with those who value their Liberty.

Liberals value liberty very highly, my friend. They've fought and died for this country. That's the reality, but don't let reality intrude on your irrational world view.

 

[cekim]

Well. Infant mortality rates show a number of socialist or countries with active socialist parties sharing or having power that have better rates than the US. Sweden #5; Italy #9; France #11; Finland #12; Norway #14; USA #49.

Life expectancy finds the US again behind most other European countries and Canada providing national medical care--socialized medicine as it is negatively called in our country. Single payer systems to those in the know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

That is until the state decides it is done with you and adds you to the pile of 120M other people it has killed.

1. We have socialism here too, in particular our medical system has been rather socialist in practice for decades - we have just been obfuscating it and not doing it as well as European subjects...
2. Those stats ignore demographics and diversity.

 

[cekim]

Liberals value liberty very highly, my friend. They've fought and died for this country. That's the reality, but don't let reality intrude on your irrational world view.

Liberals mistake changing society to accept any of their currently shunned views while micromanaging everyone else's life and thoughts for "liberty."

For example:
"Liberty" includes tolerating intolerance so long as it is done in a private setting.

I don't like intolerance. I think it is dumb, but you are free to be intolerant. You are not free to express that intolerance through government policy.

 

[drgrant]

Well. Infant mortality rates show a number of socialist or countries with active socialist parties sharing or having power that have better rates than the US. Sweden #5; Italy #9; France #11; Finland #12; Norway #14; USA #49.

Life expectancy finds the US again behind most other European countries and Canada providing national medical care--socialized medicine as it is negatively called in our country. Single payer systems to those in the know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Yes, all mostly homogenous except for USA.

Demographics fail, return to school please. Do any of those countries have the diversity breakdown that USA has? Maybe Canada and France come remotely close.

The sheer number of producers vs leeches is also way off- I guarantee you that the ratio of leeches is way higher in the US than it is in any of the other ones. Socialism works great as long as there aren't too many people stealing shit and most people are working, or the government is stealing oil resources from the public and using sales of it to subsidize a relatively small population. (one of those two nordic countries you mentioned does this with their oil pension).

This is the same bullshit that happens when people start talking about "gun violence" rates. Flawed methodology- not comparing apples to apples. Nobody with a brain can reasonably conclude that fully socialized medicine would function under circumstances which are uniquely american. (As Cekim states, we already are
partially socialized- with massive government programs which pay for some peoples' healthcare!)

This is just the tip of the failbus iceberg with your comparison, too. It's just the one that is the easiest to
think of... I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more.

-Mike

 

[Baikal49]

That is until the state decides it is done with you and adds you to the pile of 120M other people it has killed.
Accepting your argument as true arguendo, the life expectancy is still better in those countries.
1. We have socialism here too, in particular our medical system has been rather socialist in practice for decades
Medicare and Medicaid have been around for years. You won't win many elections by cutting seniors Medicaid as many politicians have discovered. Seniors aren't voting against a program that, for all its faults, works for them.
2. Those stats ignore demographics and diversity.

If you look a poor people and certain poor minorities, our system does not take very good care of them compared care given to the poor in the other countries ahead of us in longevity. We have something like 45+ million people with no medical coverage in the US. They have lower life expectancies than people with coverage. Countries ahead of us on that list provide health care for all on a relatively equal basis (some in those countries do have added private insurance, but that is still the exception and not the norm).

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Yes, all mostly homogenous except for USA.

Demographics fail, return to school please. Do any of those countries have the diversity breakdown that USA has? Maybe Canada and France come remotely close.

The sheer number of producers vs leeches is also way off- I guarantee you that the ratio of leeches is way higher in the US than it is in any of the other ones. Socialism works great as long as there aren't too many people stealing shit and most people are working, or the government is stealing oil resources from the public and using sales of it to subsidize a relatively small population. (one of those two nordic countries you mentioned does this with their oil pension).

This is the same bullshit that happens when people start talking about "gun violence" rates. Flawed methodology- not comparing apples to apples. Nobody with a brain can reasonably conclude that fully socialized medicine would function under circumstances which are uniquely american. (As Cekim states, we already are
partially socialized- with massive government programs which pay for some peoples' healthcare!)

This is just the tip of the failbus iceberg with your comparison, too. It's just the one that is the easiest to
think of... I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more.

-Mike

With all due respect, I think you need to get out and travel more abroad. Diversity is a misnomer. Poverty is the issue. Certain groups are poorer in this country for a number of reasons. Poor people don't live as long as US citizens with greater economic power. The poor in those countries ahead of us on the list live longer and have fewer infant deaths because their countries make an effort to help all citizens in their community.

 

[jaypap]

Ever been to a Log Cabin Republican meeting?
http://www.logcabin.org/site/c.nsKSL7PMLpF/b.5468093/k.BE4C/Home.htm

Nope, and never been to The Liberial Gun Club either. Like I said whatever floats your boat.

Like I said gay, liberial, anti-gun the Democrats want you.

I have letters signed by Ted Kennedy from when I wrote to him about gun control, his responses were enough to make me sick.

Also I have letters from John Kerry explaining his stance on firearms for citizens and his justification of our screwed up State.

Given their responses and the rest of the antii gun Democrats in Massachusetts politics I always vote to protect my guns just like my sig line says.

 

[Skysoldier]

There is nothing that would conclusively tell you that these tweeters are left wing. I know several Republicans who are against hunting. The Right Wing nut jobs here have some very interesting preconceptions and an inability to critically look at the world. Those tweets are likely coming from Putin supporters in Russia trying to make the right wing in America go rabid and help the left wing turnout at the polls.o

Are you really that stupid??JEEESUS!

 

[Baikal49]

Are you really that stupid??JEEESUS!

Not sure how "stupid" I am, but I am a lot smarter and better informed than you are, my friend.

 

[drgrant]

With all due respect, I think you need to get out and travel more abroad.

Bullshit. You ignore reality- which is that, like it or not, cultural, racial, different kinds of genetic diversity... the food people eat, all that shit... plays a HUGE role in life expectancy and infant mortality. Yes, over time, people can change lots of this, but do you want a government pointing a gun at people to get them to do that? The effects of these factors are huge. Denying them just makes you look like a retard.

-Mike

 

[Baikal49]

Nope, and never been to The Liberial Gun Club either. Like I said whatever floats your boat.

Like I said gay, liberial, anti-gun the Democrats want you.

I have letters signed by Ted Kennedy from when I wrote to him about gun control, his responses were enough to make me sick.

Also I have letters from John Kerry explaining his stance on firearms for citizens and his justification of our screwed up State.

Given their responses and the rest of the antii gun Democrats in Massachusetts politics I always vote to protect my guns just like my sig line says.

You mean Ted was gay and John is gay? I'm shocked. I'll bet Putin and Obama are bi at least if not closet gays. Who would have thought.............

 

[Baikal49]

Bullshit. You ignore reality- which is that, like it or not, cultural, racial, different kinds of genetic diversity... the food people eat, all that shit... plays a HUGE role in life expectancy and infant mortality. Yes, over time, people can change lots of this, but do you want a government pointing a gun at people to get them to do that? The effects of these factors are huge. Denying them just makes you look like a retard.

-Mike

Sorry Mike, but all you're doing is fumbling with excuses that don't add up to the reality. The average person in other western industrial nations has a better chance of living a longer life than an American. Sure, many Americans are more destructive as to life style, particularly diet, but health care is a major factor as to why the other industrial countries are ahead of us--even with high smoking rates, as an example.

How about we simply limit health care to obese people and smokers? Once we lose a generation or two, the fittest will be around with better habits. Remember who the first ones to go were in Zombieland?

 

[drgrant]

Sorry Mike, but all you're doing is fumbling with excuses that don't add up to the reality. The average person in other western industrial nations has a better chance of living a longer life than an American. Sure, many Americans are more destructive as to life style, particularly diet, but health care is a major factor as to why the other industrial countries are ahead of us--even with high smoking rates, as an example.

The average person in most of the other countries that you suggest are better than we are, does not have the same demographic make up that this fictitious "average american" does. You can keep your head in the sand if you want, I guess.

You're giving the effects of "health care systems" too much weight, when in reality there are a shitload of other factors more important than that, after you get above the countries on that list where "wiping your ass with your bare hands" and "running water is optional" are still considered norms in some or many parts.

This is the ****ing boathouse paint color moment right here. Name a country on that list, that has more racial and genetic diversity than the United States of America- that has better healthcare. We're all waiting. If it does exist, please tell us all about it. Then maybe we can have a more balanced, more realistic discussion about that country's socialized medicine system and how it is superior to the one here.

ETA: and honestly, at that point we couldn't even do it- because there are so many other factors which I haven't even really touched upon yet. Things that don't have anything to do with healthcare systems like climate, pollution, and the propagation rate of communicable diseases.

-Mike

 

[Skysoldier]

Not sure how "stupid" I am, but I am a lot smarter and better informed than you are, my friend.

Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that Buckwheat!

 

[FPrice]

Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that Buckwheat!

That's insulting!

To Buckwheat that is.

 

[jaypap]

You mean Ted was gay and John is gay? I'm shocked. I'll bet Putin and Obama are bi at least if not closet gays. Who would have thought.............

I'm not sure if they are gay I just know they are anti-gun like most liberals. And don't be so shocked if you are the liberal Democrat you say you are, then you know your core group.

Going out on a limb here but I bet you enjoy the Valley Advocate also.

 

[pernox]

Liberals value liberty very highly, my friend. They've fought and died for this country. That's the reality, but don't let reality intrude on your irrational world view.

I'm not your friend, liberals dying for their country doesn't fit here, and my "irrational" world view pales in comparison to the lunacy espoused in your liberal gun club.

How can you claim to value Liberty when you want to rape my wallet to pay for your health care? Endorse waiting periods to buy guns? Look favorably upon the AWB? These things fit into your scope of Liberty?

 

[CosmicIrony]

You're giving the effects of "health care systems" too much weight, when in reality there are a shitload of other factors more important than that, after you get above the countries on that list where "wiping your ass with your bare hands" and "running water is optional" are still considered norms in some or many parts.

None of the countries that have better health care outcomes than the US are even close to the running water is optional" level of poverty. Are you really suggesting that the scope and quality of healthcare has nothing to do with health outcomes? That is quite counter-intuitive and I think requires some explanation beyond suggesting that I lack a brain.

 

[HTRN]

I'm not your friend, liberals dying for their country doesn't fit here, and my "irrational" world view pales in comparison to the lunacy espoused in your liberal gun club.

How can you claim to value Liberty when you want to rape my wallet to pay for your health care? Endorse waiting periods to buy guns? Look favorably upon the AWB? These things fit into your scope of Liberty?

No, no.. Its okay, really...

Its not actually stealing when the majority has voted it to be okay. You know you have a social contract that you signed when you decided to be born in this world. That contract actually gives full ownership of your life and property derived from that life to society as a whole. WE then elect people to enact laws on our behalf to let us know how much of that property we get to keep. Its all very logical you see.

Theft is immoral, unless the state does it. Killing another human is immoral unless the state decides that it is whats best for the greater good. You see we are all better off from it, and we should be thankful for what portions of our life's produce we do get to retain. We are a nation of free people, don't you know.

 

[cekim]

That is until the state decides it is done with you and adds you to the pile of 120M other people it has killed.

Accepting your argument as true arguendo, the life expectancy is still better in those countries.

1. We have socialism here too, in particular our medical system has been rather socialist in practice for decades

Medicare and Medicaid have been around for years. You won't win many elections by cutting seniors Medicaid as many politicians have discovered. Seniors aren't voting against a program that, for all its faults, works for them.

2. Those stats ignore demographics and diversity.

If you look a poor people and certain poor minorities, our system does not take very good care of them compared care given to the poor in the other countries ahead of us in longevity. We have something like 45+ million people with no medical coverage in the US. They have lower life expectancies than people with coverage. Countries ahead of us on that list provide health care for all on a relatively equal basis (some in those countries do have added private insurance, but that is still the exception and not the norm).

So, let's summarize your argument:
1. "Death camps are ok, because in the end, life expectancy goes up!" (which is likely true since you kill the weak - you fit right in with the progressives of the last century).

2. "Medicare has been around a long time so it works"
No, no it doesn't... Much as with your European argument it ignores some very broken, but long timeline malfunctions that are currently adding up to a currency crisis that has only just begun.

It does not matter if it is popular, it is unsustainable. It will fail in our lifetimes (it is failing now by virtue of polluting prices of medical care to the point that most people can no longer afford it).

Both parties can put their fingers in their ears and ignore this along with those on it and headed that way, but it doesn't change the structural failure in the system.

3. "Lower life expectancy due to lack of access to care"

ok, now that's a reasonable argument, to which I respond:
a. See cost issue from broken system - not from market failure, but failure of socialist systems we have already tried.
b. War on drugs and "normalization" of welfare has created a massive underclass of people incapable of participating in our economy.
c. Our economy has been crippled by other statist and socialist policies that have made it too cumbersome and expensive to keep production here that would have provided legitimate jobs.

The current climate of waiting around for .gov to decide which businesses live and die based on subsidy and risk guarantee is absolutely stifling to any sort of recovery. So, even if we had a work force unencumbered by ridiculous regulations and elevated costs, it currently makes more sense to do business elsewhere.

The life expectancy in this nation - one of the most diverse on the planet - is not evenly distributed. You are drawing a straight correlative (not causal) line to the lack of Euro-socialist healthcare as the cause when in reality there are quite a few factors that are feeding into that independent of healthcare which will remain even if you do manage to implement ObamaCare.

 

[CosmicIrony]

2. "Medicare has been around a long time so it works"
No, no it doesn't...

I think you missed the point - Medicare has been around a long time, people that are on it generally do not want to give it up, that implies that they prefer having Medicare to not having Medicare. Which, considering the sorry performance of private health insurance, is no surprise.