Lemay trial in Lowell

[Palladin]

Anyone following this? My daughter was best friends with the kid who died.
Interesting defense theory, a 380 and a 9mm both fired from the same gun.

Kid on trial is a wanna be tough guy...after the shooting there was backlash at Dracut high, when a couple of kids put Free Mello in the yearbook at graduation

1-gun theory pushed by defense in Day 4 of Lemay murder trial

LOWELL — The question of whether it was one gun or two fired the night Adrian Kimborowicz was gunned down in Lowell highlighted the testimony in Middlesex Superior Court on Friday in Day 4 of the t…

www.lowellsun.com

 

[Compooky]

Sounds like grasping at straws when there are two suspects and the defense for one has to try and pin it all on the other. The other suspect’s attorney can do the same thing.

 

[graphite]

Anyone following this? My daughter was best friends with the kid who died.
Interesting defense theory, a 380 and a 9mm both fired from the same gun.

Kid on trial is a wanna be tough guy...after the shooting there was backlash at Dracut high, when a couple of kids put Free Mello in the yearbook at graduation

1-gun theory pushed by defense in Day 4 of Lemay murder trial

LOWELL — The question of whether it was one gun or two fired the night Adrian Kimborowicz was gunned down in Lowell highlighted the testimony in Middlesex Superior Court on Friday in Day 4 of the t…

www.lowellsun.com

FAIL - on the part of the Lowell Sun's reporter writing the story and the editor (bold is mine):

"Sullivan worked to discredit Callahan’s testimony that suggests the two spent casings recovered by police on Barker Avenue, ......came from different guns.
...... Callahan’s testimony cast shade on the claims of Sullivan and Rappaport."

WTF? I guess the reporter uses the Urban dictionary instead of Merriam-Webster's!

Of course it IS Lowell, so this may be perfectly acceptable for all I know.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

I had a 380 case I didn't find and it went through my Dillon and got Reloaded. I put it into a magazine without noticing and it fed and fired through a P226. It didn't eject properly and caused a jam.

 

[chris_1001]

I had a buddy purposely put a .380 in a 9mm Beretta 92.

It fired (and of course did not cycle)

 

[Drix]

I had a buddy purposely put a .380 in a 9mm Beretta 92.

It fired (and of course did not cycle)

Yeah but the case gets f***ed up.

You would know if the 380 was shot in a 9mm chamber, it would be demonstrably altered by the event, basically flash formed to the larger chamber.

 

[Boghog1]

Yeah but the case gets f***ed up.

You would know if the 380 was shot in a 9mm chamber, it would be demonstrably altered by the event, basically flash formed to the larger chamber.

like this?

 

[eboos]

like this?
View attachment 752402

Case mouth expanded to .40? 9mm bullets are .355-.356, as are 380. Even at the base of the case above the extractor grove a 9mm case is .390 and tapers to .380 at the mouth. What was this fired from that would cause a 380 case mouth to expand to .40?

 

[In God We Trust]

I once bought a bucket of .45 ammo off a guy at work. There was one stray .40 round in there that I loaded up and fired without realizing. It fired the round, but I knew from the sound something stupid happened and it didn’t cycle the gun.

I guess it’s possible to do the same with .380 and 9mm

 

[Boghog1]

Case mouth expanded to .40? 9mm bullets are .355-.356, as are 380. Even at the base of the case above the extractor grove a 9mm case is .390 and tapers to .380 at the mouth. What was this fired from that would cause a 380 case mouth to expand to .40?

Ask the ballistic expert, I'm not one, maybe one of our reloaded would know? Could a .380 be shot out of a fortay

 

[Drix]

like this?
View attachment 752402

Exactly like that.

So now you know it wasn't from a 9 and a 380, but maybe 2 9's.

The next step would be to compare the casings a'la new jersey style looking at primer strikes and flash form grooves to determine a match against the same chamber.

 

[Asaltweapon]

I had a 380 case I didn't find and it went through my Dillon and got Reloaded. I put it into a magazine without noticing and it fed and fired through a P226. It didn't eject properly and caused a jam.

I fired a 40 in a 45 by pure mistake. Gun went bang and messed up the case.

 

[Palladin]

so the trial of the second shooter just ended...not guilty.

Lemay was found not guilty earlier this year. In the 2nd trial a State Police ballistics expert stated the two bullets retried from the victem's body, were fired from a 9mm HipOint, which left specific rifling indications.....specific to a Hipoint barrel. The video presented from a 3rd kid present, showed tje 2nd shooter holding a pistol with an exposed hammer, Sig 238, Bersa, etc. The SP expect stated a Hipoint is striker fired and could not have possibly been the gun in the 2nd shooters hand. That's how he got off.
this wasn't presented at Lemay's trial, which created reasonable doubt, allowing him to go free. But now everyone realizes he was the killer.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Interesting lack of reference to firing pin indentation/breechface analysis to see if the 380 and 9mm were fired from the same gun.

 

[HARRYM]

so the trial of the second shooter just ended...not guilty.

Lemay was found not guilty earlier this year. In the 2nd trial a State Police ballistics expert stated the two bullets retried from the victem's body, were fired from a 9mm HipOint, which left specific rifling indications.....specific to a Hipoint barrel. The video presented from a 3rd kid present, showed tje 2nd shooter holding a pistol with an exposed hammer, Sig 238, Bersa, etc. The SP expect stated a Hipoint is striker fired and could not have possibly been the gun in the 2nd shooters hand. That's how he got off.
this wasn't presented at Lemay's trial, which created reasonable doubt, allowing him to go free. But now everyone realizes he was the killer.

Did either of the defendants serve the 1 yr sentence for carrying without a license?

 

[Palladin]

Did either of the defendants serve the 1 yr sentence for carrying without a license?

The second kid hasn't been sentenced yet but he was found guilty of possession of a firearm without a license