Loaded Chamber Indicator

[That Guy]

I see lots of people on NES complain about LCIs on various guns. Personally, I don't understand the concept of having them be mandatory because that really is the last thing you should be relying on to tell if your weapon is loaded. On the other hand, I do like having it on my handgun - it allows me to feel in the dark and verify that I have one in the pipe. As the kind of person who checks, rechecks and rechecks for things, the OCD in me likes to be able to feel at the last second and silently confirm the presence of a round.

What is the major argument against them?

 

[jasons]

I see lots of people on NES complain about LCIs on various guns. Personally, I don't understand the concept of having them be mandatory because that really is the last thing you should be relying on to tell if your weapon is loaded. On the other hand, I do like having it on my handgun - it allows me to feel in the dark and verify that I have one in the pipe. As the kind of person who checks, rechecks and rechecks for things, the OCD in me likes to be able to feel at the last second and silently confirm the presence of a round.

What is the major argument against them?

They add unnecessary cost and complexity.

 

[Independence Arms]

Until something gets stuck in the LCI, giving you a false reading. Could be a life or death mistake. Just my .02$

 

[drgrant]

Because a lot of them look absurd and were only added to a gun with the SOLE intent of satisfying some anti gun state's regulatory bullshit, like CA or MA.

In other words, they were added as a feature to enable the manufacturer to sell the gun more than as something someone would actually use. Many LCIs remind me of things like that chunk of shit on my riding lawn mower that prevents me from
mowing in reverse- only added because some retard backed over his toddler with one and sued sears or something.

BTW, press checking is not that loud. My glocks all have LCIs but out of habit I just pull the slide back slightly and see if the brass is in there. I don't really use the tactile LCI. This is force of habit. Once you develop it you will no longer care about an LCI. At all.

-Mike

 

[ColdDayInHell]

Because a lot of them look absurd and were only added to a gun with the SOLE intent of satisfying some anti gun state's regulatory bullshit, like CA or MA.

In other words, they were added as a feature to enable the manufacturer to sell the gun more than as something someone would actually use. Many LCIs remind me of things like that chunk of shit on my riding lawn mower that prevents me from
mowing in reverse- only added because some retard backed over his toddler with one and sued sears or something.

BTW, press checking is not that loud. My glocks all have LCIs but out of habit I just pull the slide back slightly and see if the brass is in there. I don't really use the tactile LCI. This is force of habit. Once you develop it you will no longer care about an LCI. At all.

-Mike

Yup. I always check my Glocks too, just to see a glimpse of brass is enough for me. Even my SR9c gets a brass check, and it is impossible to miss that red flag from space.

 

[fencer]

Just another case of people who think they know what is best for you, telling you what you have to do.

I feel it is unnecessary because I know that there is always a round in the chamber.

 

[Finalygotabeltfed]

Its not the LCI that is/was the problem, it was the bullshit law and the foisting of it onto the public/manufacturers as just another stumbling block in the anti gun agenda of the MA legislature.

I don't mind an LCI, but I prefer to look at the chamber and always do. It becomes a well engrained habit with open bolt firing subguns.

 

[OB1Kenobi]

I like the 10 pound trugger so i wont shoot someone unless i really really wanted to.

REALLY wanted to. . I also love 10rd mags.... No honest person needs more than 10rounds.

.......

 

[JuergenG]

...and were only added to a gun with the SOLE intent of satisfying some military bureaucrat's requirements

Look at Lugers, P.38's, PP's, PPk's.......

 

[dnepro-mike]

regardless of what premise of having LCI on the gun is- i personally see it as a + feature. It's already helped me once big time, when i was not paying enough attention.
And I know i should really be careful and pay it 100% when handling FAs and i ussualy do, 'but once in a while even broom fires' as they say.

 

[noddaduma]

Mechanical safeties will never replace the safety rules.

 

[WallHack]

Mechanical safeties will never replace the safety rules.

Absolutely. My M&P has a small hole on the top of the slide for an LCI, and I never use it. Much easier to brass-check it than squint through that tiny opening

 

[Wendell]

The most important problem with loaded chamber indicators is that they can reduce functional reliability. (Take the Glock LCI extractor, for example.)

Loaded chamber indicators often come with a serious cost - without any real benefit.

 

[yanici]

Small hole in my Sigs and M&P doesn't bother me at all. Nothing to fuss over.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Just another case of people who think they know what is best for you, telling you what you have to do.

I feel it is unnecessary because I know that there is always a round in the chamber.

I've always preferred the model of "The gun is always in the loaded state other than the one you want or expect it to be in". "All guns are always loaded" has a nice ring to it, but is of little comfort when you take off your carry gun and find it was empty when you clear it for cleaning or storage.

 

[oldguy]

Glocks simple LCI is a nice feature to me.

 

[perry1386]

My 2 pistols have them, they are both Ruger...I don't really pay attention to it. In fact the red paint on it has worn off and disappeared from cleaning so many time...I've trained myself to ignore it because I don't want to become reliant on something not all guns have.

 

[dgrafton]

I don't need a loaded chamber indicator. Unless it is in a case while driving somewhere, being cleaned or shown to someone, then it IS loaded.

 

[perry1386]

...Unless it is in a case while driving somewhere, being cleaned or shown to someone, then it IS loaded.

Same here...

 

[jgeebs413]

So just looking in the barrel is not good. . .? Guess I'll have to ask someone else to look from now on just to be safe.

 

[fencer]

I don't need a loaded chamber indicator. Unless it is in a case while driving somewhere, being cleaned or shown to someone, then it IS loaded.

Exactly.... I have never taken off my carry gun to find that I had been carrying it unloaded

 

[sixer]

I like the LCI on my M&P. It's non-mechanical as it's just a hole in the chamber so it can't fail or give a false reading. I use it not to make sure the gun is empty but to make sure it's LOADED! To me it's not a safety device at all!

 

[In God We Trust]

I prefer the small hole in the top of the slide that shows the brass when a round is chambered.

 

[OB1Kenobi]

I prefer the small hole in the top of the slide that shows the brass when a round is chambered.

suffice, but not as Tact-i-cool as "feeling it" in low light / low vis situations.

 

[perry1386]

suffice, but not as Tact-i-cool as "feeling it" in low light / low vis situations.

lol +1

 

[KBCraig]

As the kind of person who checks, rechecks and rechecks for things, the OCD in me likes to be able to feel at the last second and silently confirm the presence of a round.

The OCD in me does the opposite: I load the gun, make sure it's loaded one time, and fix that in my mind.

Only if a gun goes in the safe is it unloaded. All carry guns and home defense guns are loaded and stay loaded at all times.

 

[jasons]

I can usually tell I'm loaded if I see more than one chamber or if I have to close one eye.

 

[zyx123]

The LCI in the PPK and PPK/S is simple and helpful and it's been around the PP series since 1929, a few years before the Mass gun laws were put into effect.

 

[Twigg]

On the other hand, I do like having it on my handgun - it allows me to feel in the dark and verify that I have one in the pipe.

Seriously ? Really ? You can't remember if you loaded you damm gun ? Are your really that stoopid ? Do you have gremlins or evil elves in your house who mysteriously unload your pistol in the dead of night ?

I've heard so unbelievably STUPID things on this forum but hooo - boy you win.

 

[GunGrey]

LCI's are gay