Loaded Chamber Indicator

- Tactical Loaded Chamber Indicator
- 9mm CA Compliant
- Magazine Safety
- Single Sided Thumb Safety (from the S&W web site)

But wait...... It's a "Tactical" LCI in CA. [laugh2] Just one more level of stupid above the MA version
 
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drgrant said:
Because a lot of them look absurd and were only added to a gun with the SOLE intent of satisfying some anti gun state's regulatory bullshit, like CA or MA.

-Mike
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Mike said it very clearly. It was added by anti-gun/dumb (take your pick) bureaucrats rather than by user input and firearms designer edcisions based upon actual need.
 
If you are average Joe...

Carry should be loaded period.

Anything else would generally be unloaded until you're at the firing line.

If you are tacticool (carrying on the job) and you don't already KNOW if your firearm is loaded, you're a dolt.

So therefore, no LCI is needed and simply makes guns more expensive and prone to break.



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The LCI on a Ruger MKIII seems to make a couple of collection areas for crud that are more difficult to clean out.
 
As my dad told me when buying my first car. More "features" really equates to more crap to break.

Also, I blame the public education for this one. People apparently can't count anymore.
 
I'm not a fan of the LCI on my XD. It raises up from the top of the slide with sharp corners when a round is chambered, and after a few hundred rounds of lead reloads it gets enough junk under it that it won't seat back down flush again when the chamber is actually empty. I would never rely on it to determine whether or not there is a round chambered, nor am I forgetful enough to not already know with certainty.
 
drgrant said:
Because a lot of them look absurd and were only added to a gun with the SOLE intent of satisfying some anti gun state's regulatory bullshit, like CA or MA.

In other words, they were added as a feature to enable the manufacturer to sell the gun more than as something someone would actually use. Many LCIs remind me of things like that chunk of shit on my riding lawn mower that prevents me from
mowing in reverse- only added because some retard backed over his toddler with one and sued sears or something. [thinking]

BTW, press checking is not that loud. [laugh] My glocks all have LCIs but out of habit I just pull the slide back slightly and see if the brass is in there. I don't really use the tactile LCI. This is force of habit. Once you develop it you will no longer care about an LCI. At all.

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This.
My daily carry is a .45 commander with a "window" as an LCI, I never use it, ever. I think I looked at it once when I first got the gun. I do exactly what mike does, I rack the slide a little until I can see if there is a round chambered and then it's safety on and in my holster.

And on a side note, my riding mower at least has a button so I can override the no mowing in reverse thing...lol
 
Not a big fan of them but I wouldn't not buy a gun I like because it has a LCI. My problem with them is that if that's what you use to tell if your gun is loaded your not properly trained and skipping safety procedures. Honestly how often do any of us not know if our gun is loaded? And if you don't know a LCI is not the proper way to check.

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chaser001 said:
I really don't care about the LCI. My sig has the "mass hole" my only complaint is that it's tough to find a conversion kit that contains the "mass hole" mandated by ma**h***s.
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What do you mean by mandated? Unless you're a dealer the AG's silly safety crap means nothing to you.
 
There is an LCI on the XDs. I like it, as the OP states, you can run your finger on it to do a quick check without looking.

I think it had no value to say the gun is NOT loaded. That ALWAYS requires visual and tactile confirmation of the chamber itself.


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Midnight412 said:
There is an LCI on the XDs. I like it, as the OP states, you can run your finger on it to do a quick check without looking.

I think it had no value to say the gun is NOT loaded. That ALWAYS requires visual and tactile confirmation of the chamber itself.


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It also has no value to say that the gun IS loaded. See below. Hence, no value at all, IMO.

JakeF said:
I'm not a fan of the LCI on my XD. It raises up from the top of the slide with sharp corners when a round is chambered, and after a few hundred rounds of lead reloads it gets enough junk under it that it won't seat back down flush again when the chamber is actually empty. I would never rely on it to determine whether or not there is a round chambered, nor am I forgetful enough to not already know with certainty.
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chaser001 said:
I meant when buying new.
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You can buy a new conversion kit without a ma**h***. Either drive up to Sig and buy it on site, or buy it on the internet and have it mailed to you at home. Either option is perfectly legal.
 
jasons said:
You can buy a new conversion kit without a ma**h***. Either drive up to Sig and buy it on site, or buy it on the internet and have it mailed to you at home. Either option is perfectly legal.
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Really? I've looked around online and the sites that sell them say you can't use them in a gun with the mass hole. I guess i know what I'm doing after work. Thanks!!
 
I don't need a freaking loaded chamber indicator. If I want to know if I have a round loaded I simply shoot a round off above my head and if it goes boom, I know I am good to go. Is there really any other way?
 
That Guy said:
I see lots of people on NES complain about LCIs on various guns. Personally, I don't understand the concept of having them be mandatory because that really is the last thing you should be relying on to tell if your weapon is loaded. On the other hand, I do like having it on my handgun - it allows me to feel in the dark and verify that I have one in the pipe. As the kind of person who checks, rechecks and rechecks for things, the OCD in me likes to be able to feel at the last second and silently confirm the presence of a round.

What is the major argument against them?
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Some of them - like on the Sigs - are just a peep hole into the chamber. You're not "feeling" anything in the dark with a setup like that. Again - I personally think you should always treat every firearm like it is loaded and a round is chambered. That is unless it is disassembled and the barrel is in your hand. So I don't see the point. It adds tooling costs.
 
LCIs with just the little gap are a bad design but less intrusive to appearance. I love that you almost have to point the gun at your face to check the little hole to see if there is a bullet in there.. at least thats how it is with my SR22

I also dont like the LCI on my SR9c when i put my guns in my quick access safe i put them upside down with the grip pointing up so the red flag gets in the way. I dont want it resting on the flag so i dont leave one in the chamber on that gun.
 
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drgrant said:
Because a lot of them look absurd and were only added to a gun with the SOLE intent of satisfying some anti gun state's regulatory bullshit, like CA or MA.
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I know the M9 has had one for as long as I can remember, so I don't think it's just the nanny-state regulatory stuff. I assume some defense people thought they were a good idea.

Twigg said:
Seriously ? Really ? You can't remember if you loaded you damm gun ? Are your really that stoopid ? Do you have gremlins or evil elves in your house who mysteriously unload your pistol in the dead of night ?

I've heard so unbelievably STUPID things on this forum but hooo - boy you win. [rolleyes]
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I was referring mostly to when I carried my M9 in Iraq - I carried it in a Blackhawk holster that allowed me to feel the LCI while it was still holstered and I am saying I enjoyed being able to verify that I did, in fact, have a round in the chamber. I don't know if your opinion is based on some vast amount of hands on experience with real world tactical situations or not. Could be you've never actually carried a weapon in a tactical situation and you are one of those mall ninjas who likes to look in the mirror and pretend he's a Navy SEAL - hard for me to say because I don't know you, so I wouldn't presume to make such a bold post as yours.

Again, I would never use my LCI as a primary means of checking if a round is in the chamber, but if you've ever been in a situation where you are loading and unloading your gun more than once a day, it's nice to be able to have that extra feel check that doesn't require removing it from the holster or opening the slide. Granted, stateside it is not as useful a feature, but I just don't see getting worked up about having one on the pistol.
 
Another aspect I do like is that on some pistols you can see the LCI if the gun is pointed at you. I would know immediately if the gentleman pointing an M9 at me has put one in the chamber - I see that as a plus.

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jasons said:
Like an external safety. Ruined a perfectly good gun. [puke]
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Not saying it makes it a great idea - just that there are clearly some people who think it isn't the dumbest thing ever.
 
That Guy said:
Not saying it makes it a great idea - just that there are clearly some people who think it isn't the dumbest thing ever.
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IMO It becomes a dumb idea when a state.gov forces it on to the firearms industry if they are to sell in that state.
 
That Guy said:
just that there are clearly some people who think it isn't the dumbest thing ever.
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We call those people morons. Anyone who wants something that adds complexity (something else that can break) to the piece of gear that could save your life is a moron.
 
That Guy said:
Another aspect I do like is that on some pistols you can see the LCI if the gun is pointed at you. I would know immediately if the gentleman pointing an M9 at me has put one in the chamber - I see that as a plus.

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Not saying it makes it a great idea - just that there are clearly some people who think it isn't the dumbest thing ever.
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there are books that come out every year filled with things that people did that they didn't think it was a bad idea, you may have heard of them? http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=darwin+awards
 
Derek - as I said in the OP, I completely agree that it is a silly thing to mandate - it may, in my opinion, be actually dangerous because people may rely on the LCI only which I think everyone here is in agreement is a bad idea.

I understand saying mandating LCIs is a bad idea, but I don't necessarily think that it makes the entire concept of the LCI a terrible idea.

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Editing out last bit because re-reading it I disagreed with the premise myself.
 

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